How news is part 2

TheMercenary · 10-05-2010, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

But my point is, if the news sources told me what happened, instead of 1 minute of what happened and 5 minutes of how they think it must affect me, I wouldn't suffer that bias. I'll develop my own outrage, thank you.

The most important point is to know when they are giving you a report and when they are giving you an opinion.

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The video makes some great points. One being, Mexican and illegal alien are not interchangeable terms, as the bias news sources have been telling everyone to rally support for bias causes.

Do you think most people confuse the two? I don't think they do.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-05-2010, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The most important point is to know when they are giving you a report and when they are giving you an opinion.

You can't separate them, every damn report on the news has the reporters reasons why he thinks you should know about this story. He never says two perps robbed a 7-11, and got away in a green Prius. He spends most of the time telling me why I should be cautious of 7-11s late at night, be careful crossing the street because I might get run over by a speeding Prius, my 7-11 stock may go down, but my hoodie stock might go up. Well you know what? I don't need his opinion on any god damned thing, he's a fucking reporter, don't analyze, just report.
Even the fucking weatherman can't tell me there's a storm coming, without telling me it may affect public transportation and school schedules, I should fill my gas tank, and bring in the dog. WTF?

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Do you think most people confuse the two? I don't think they do.

Not confuse them, choose to use one when they should be using the other, to intentionally mislead in favor of their bias. If you say illegal alien, they will counter with Mexican to draw attention away from the fact you are talking about criminals and try to make you look racist.

TheMercenary · 10-05-2010, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Not confuse them, choose to use one when they should be using the other, to intentionally mislead in favor of their bias. If you say illegal alien, they will counter with Mexican to draw attention away from the fact you are talking about criminals and try to make you look racist.

I think more people are informed on the issue than are not, at least among the people I talk to, take the Cellar, most people know the difference.

Shawnee123 · 10-05-2010, 10:56 AM

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I think more people are informed on the issue than are not, at least among the people I talk to, take the Cellar, most people know the difference.

The Cellar, while a reflection of the world, has a lot less illiterate people in it.

Seriously, don't you think the bias can also go: all illegals are Mexican, and all Mexicans are illegal. There are way too many people who believe what they hear, especially when it gives them some kind of misguided birthright feeling of superiority.

TheMercenary · 10-05-2010, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Seriously, don't you think the bias can also go: all illegals are Mexican, and all Mexicans are illegal. There are way too many people who believe what they hear, especially when it gives them some kind of misguided birthright feeling of superiority.

Sure it could go that way. I guess you would have to accept the first premise that "all illegals are Mexican". There are all kinds of bias out there about most hot button issues. I just don't think the majority of people who are invested in understanding where the problems lie in this issue accept that all people who have Mexican heritage are illegal. There are dumb asses everywhere in every state, on every issue. No one has a corner on dumbassedness.

piercehawkeye45 · 10-05-2010, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Sure it could go that way. I guess you would have to accept the first premise that "all illegals are Mexican". There are all kinds of bias out there about most hot button issues. I just don't think the majority of people who are invested in understanding where the problems lie in this issue accept that all people who have Mexican heritage are illegal. There are dumb asses everywhere in every state, on every issue. No one has a corner on dumbassedness.

Dumbasses tend to be the loudest.

Also, there might be a difference in generalizing illegals as Mexicans and being specific about it. I feel a lot of people, I'll admit to doing it once or twice, generalize and imply that illegal aliens are Mexicans but will obviously know its not true when questioned further. People then attack the generalization which was never suppose to be 100% accurate in the first place.....because it's a generalization. Miscommunication issue.

TheMercenary · 10-05-2010, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Dumbasses tend to be the loudest.

Also, there might be a difference in generalizing illegals as Mexicans and being specific about it. I feel a lot of people, I'll admit to doing it once or twice, generalize and imply that illegal aliens are Mexicans but will obviously know its not true when questioned further. People then attack the generalization which was never suppose to be 100% accurate in the first place.....because it's a generalization. Miscommunication issue.

I think when it comes to the actual reporting on the issue people are very careful not to generalize about "Mexicans" given the number of Americans with Mexican or Central American roots. The latest news seems to be focused on the immediate cross border town violence and the implications related to it. Pundits have tried to exploit the issue to tie it into the recent laws in AZ and those other borderstates are considering. That may or may not be a fair issue.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-05-2010, 11:29 AM

Too many people think this is just about Mexicans, when the illegals they are catching, just catching, are from everywhere... and increasingly from the middle east and Malaysia. The next thing you know the damn Aussies will be sneaking in.

classicman · 10-05-2010, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

The Cellar, while a reflection of the world, has a lot less illiterate people in it.

The cellar is far more intelligent than the average.

HungLikeJesus · 10-05-2010, 01:32 PM

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The Cellar, while a reflection of the world, has a lot less illiterate people in it.

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There's a huge contingent of illiterate people in the Cellar. They just don't read or write so you don't notice them.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-05-2010, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I think more people are informed on the issue than are not, at least among the people I talk to, take the Cellar, most people know the difference.

They have to know the difference to do what I said.

TheMercenary · 10-05-2010, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

They have to know the difference to do what I said.

No doubt. I just don't think that is the majority.

classicman · 10-05-2010, 10:46 AM

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Do you think most people confuse the two? I don't think they do.

Abso-frickin-lutely.

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xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Too many people think this is just about Mexicans, when the illegals they are catching, just catching, are from everywhere... and increasingly from the middle east and Malaysia. The next thing you know the damn Aussies will be sneaking in. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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