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Old 11-09-2010, 12:48 PM   #9
Urbane Guerrilla
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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey View Post
Bush certainly squandered that quite spectacularly, when he invaded Iraq and tried to equate support for that to patriotism.
Let's see: destruction of unfreedom -- happened when Saddam went fugitive, was later captured, and later hanged. Check.

Replacement of unfree social order with a democratic one. Check. (Corruption problems? Common in Third World countries. Undesirable, the same way measles are undesirable. Not necessarily lethal to the body politic, nor necessarily a reduction thereof, is it?)

And is not liberty a birthright of mankind, attributable to God if you're a believer, however weakly?

Don't sweat the patriotism angle: this was obedience to God, as Ben Franklin put it lo these many years ago.

And some people -- if they really are people and not some kind of possessed meatpuppets -- object to that.
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