Bad Research - Page 2

piercehawkeye45 · 11-23-2010, 01:42 PM

Both of you have a point (the same point I guess). Errors will occur in both the presentation and review process for a multitude of reasons. It will always happen.

But, the current system is the best we have and probably one of the best we can get. At least from what I have been exposed too.

toranokaze · 11-28-2010, 02:07 AM

Lets not forget that the scientific community is not just in the business of making papers. There are physical realities we are dealing with; not just papers but results are what is important. If your results can't be replicated the research is useless; proving other people wrong is the point of peer review. One must show that their models or processes work and work consistently otherwise it gets the boot.

Furthermore, one should take everything they read critically checking facts, numbers,ect. Don't take this a relitviest argment.

Truth does exist.

There does exist things that are real.

This is a reality.

We can trust science to make good prediction once vetted. If the predictions don't pan out we must change our modes.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-28-2010, 09:41 AM

The whole process is coming under scrutiny, because of the climate predictions, and questions about drug safety. When I was a youth, most science and medicine was blindly accepted, but that proved to be a mistake. Of course back in the day, newspapers and a couple of TV channels was about it for most people. Trade/professional journals weren't widely available, and nobody cared to read them anyway.
The internet has changed the world in many ways... some of them good.

Clodfobble · 11-28-2010, 05:35 PM

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When I was a youth, most science and medicine was blindly accepted, but that proved to be a mistake.

Back then there wasn't nearly as much money in science/medicine either. It was safer to accept because there was less reason for anyone to forge it.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-28-2010, 05:37 PM

And less PhD types unemployed.

Aliantha · 12-01-2010, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Back then there wasn't nearly as much money in science/medicine either.

Yeah, they were still being paid in grain and hogs.

xoxoxoBruce · 12-01-2010, 02:50 AM

Hey, I represent that.

Aliantha · 12-01-2010, 08:27 PM

ahuh.

11-23-2010, 01:42 PM	#16
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Both of you have a point (the same point I guess). Errors will occur in both the presentation and review process for a multitude of reasons. It will always happen. But, the current system is the best we have and probably one of the best we can get. At least from what I have been exposed too. __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

11-28-2010, 02:07 AM	#17
toranokaze I'm still a jerk Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Little Mexico Posts: 1,817	Lets not forget that the scientific community is not just in the business of making papers. There are physical realities we are dealing with; not just papers but results are what is important. If your results can't be replicated the research is useless; proving other people wrong is the point of peer review. One must show that their models or processes work and work consistently otherwise it gets the boot. Furthermore, one should take everything they read critically checking facts, numbers,ect. Don't take this a relitviest argment. Truth does exist. There does exist things that are real. This is a reality. We can trust science to make good prediction once vetted. If the predictions don't pan out we must change our modes. __________________ "Without deviation from the norm progress is not possible." - Frank Zappa It is the ignorance of ignorance that lead to the death of knowledge The Virgin Mary does not weep for her son, for he is in paradise. She weeps for the world , for we are in suffering.

11-28-2010, 09:41 AM	#18
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	The whole process is coming under scrutiny, because of the climate predictions, and questions about drug safety. When I was a youth, most science and medicine was blindly accepted, but that proved to be a mistake. Of course back in the day, newspapers and a couple of TV channels was about it for most people. Trade/professional journals weren't widely available, and nobody cared to read them anyway. The internet has changed the world in many ways... some of them good. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-28-2010, 05:37 PM	#20
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	And less PhD types unemployed. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-01-2010, 02:50 AM	#22
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Hey, I represent that. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-01-2010, 08:27 PM	#23
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	ahuh. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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