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[Urbane Guerrilla]

V, frankly if you're going to take that attitude and not immediately improve simply everyone's understanding of the liberal mind vis-à-vis the Second, you'll deserve some pretty rough handling. Do you recognize that you are not helping -- only grousing?

I'd have a much better idea you esteem the Second Amendment if I saw you taking up the cudgels in its defense and its propagation, to convert minds away from the criminal, genocidal way. So there's the gauntlet I toss: do it or STFU it. If it's important enough, you won't care about how much attitude I'm giving you, right?

Now, where might plthijinx get that idea, do you suppose? Might it be, for one of ten thousand instances, the lifetime's work of Senator Charles Schumer, called a liberal by, well, how many? Just about everybody short of lefthanded Latvian bisexuals? The man betrays his own religion and perhaps the memory of certain distant relatives even, by his lifetime championing of you-can't-have-guns (but the State can), that essential precondition for a genocide.

New Yorkers born and raised have an education problem: they do not live under the full exercise of all the civil rights their countrymen have, and this skews them. Most never have, not having been born in the year of the Sullivan Law's enactment, 1911. At least, they could leave NYC if they wanted to have all the rights the lion's share of the country enjoys.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

V, frankly if you're going to take that attitude and not immediately improve simply everyone's understanding of the liberal mind vis-à-vis the Second, you'll deserve some pretty rough handling. Do you recognize that you are not helping -- only grousing?

I'd have a much better idea you esteem the Second Amendment if I saw you taking up the cudgels in its defense and its propagation, to convert minds away from the criminal, genocidal way. So there's the gauntlet I toss: do it or STFU it. If it's important enough, you won't care about how much attitude I'm giving you, right?

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Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced

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There are extremists on the far left who would go further than those reasonable and legal restrictions just as there are extremists on the right who would ignore the First Amendment establishment clause.

But sweeping generalizations about liberals or conservatives are just another example of extremism at work and cant be supported by the facts.

UG--by your statements you have identified yourself time and time again as an extremist on the right, to borrow F&B's terminology. As such, I'm unable to have a regular conversation with you on subjects such as these. Please note, it is your extremism, not your ideology that makes mutual understanding impossible. You have proven yourself deaf to normal tones of voice.

For example, in matters of my own opinion, such as my esteem for the second amendment, *I* know better than you do. Yet, despite evidence that you've read my clear statement, you disbelieve me. Then, with the most insulting and prejudicial language you challenge me to "convince you" or shut the fuck up. Well, buddy, you can stop listening to me anytime now, that's as close to shutting up you'll ever be able to impose upon me.

I have neither the desire, nor the interest, nor the ability to change your mind. It is closed, nothing new can enter it. Your belief is not a measure of the truth of anything.

As for my point, F&B absolutely got it. Generalizations are useful in proportion to their specificity. Ideas small enough to fit on a bumper sticker are usually not big enough to build a bridge of understanding.