Obama Announces Re-election Bid

[Jill]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I can't agree. Look what we got for our money. How many jobs were created? At what cost? Many went to pet projects for the Dem majority. Look at the millions spent and the product we got from them.

http://stimuluswatch.org/2.0/

Pelosi, Reid, and Obama rammed programs through without being to explain their costs to the people, and when they did so, they used smoke and mirrors. They controlled congress for 4 years and the spending has gone up astronomically.

And I can't agree with you. Using your site, and clicking the tab for where the highest stimulus spending occurred, we find this:

Type	    Description	            	                     	    		Amount 		Jobs    	
Grant 	    State Fiscal Stabilization Fund - Education Fund			$4,387,948,882 	53,391
Grant 	    State Fiscal Stabilization Fund -Education Fund			$2,177,682,329 	416
Grant 	    State Fiscal Stabilization Fund - Reporting				$1,653,933,720 	18,604
Grant 	    State Fiscal Stabilization Fund - Education Fund			$1,479,922,294 	13,197
Contract    Recovery Act Projects at SRNS consist of: Project A			$1,407,839,884 	800
Contract    									$1,359,715,229 	621
Grant 	    Recovery Act Capital Program- National Railroad Passenger		$1,293,525,000 	779
Grant 	    Grants to States for the Education of Children with Disabilities	$1,226,944,052 	4,162
Grant 	    STATE FISCAL STABILIZATION FUND - EDUCATION				$1,126,357,559 	8,689
Grant 	    Title I - Grants to LEAs, Recovery Act				$1,124,920,473 	4,389
Grant 	    State Fiscal Stabilization Fund - Government Services		$1,084,768,673 	18,229
Grant 	    State Fiscal Stabilization Fund - Education Fund			  $980,685,675 	3,400
Grant 	    Title I, Part A--Improving Basic Programs				  $948,737,780 	1,721
Grant 	    Grants to States for the Education of Children with Disabilities	  $945,636,328 	1,734
Grant 	    Title I, Part A -- Improving Basic Programs			 	  $907,152,149 	6,101
Grant 	    State Fiscal Stabilization Fund-Education Fund			  $872,587,225 	12,454 
Grant 	    State Fiscal Stabilization Funds- Education Grants		   	  $844,735,394 	9,658
Grant 	    State Fiscal Stabilization Fund - Education Fund			  $778,494,148 	8,917
Grant 	    Grants to States for the Education of Children with Disabilities	  $759,193,324 	3,544
Grant 	    State Fiscal Stabilization Fund-Education Fund			  $729,184,969 	11,378
Grant 	    State Fiscal Stabilization Fund-Government Services		 	  $723,165,683 	0
Grant 	    State Fiscal Stabilization Fund (SFSF) - Education State Grants	  $659,190,155 	3,306
Grant 	    Grants to States for the Education of Children with Disabilities	  $627,262,665 	3,181
Grant 	    State Fiscal Stabilization Fund-Education Fund			  $625,982,529 	13,232
Grant 	    State Fiscal Stabilization Fund - Education Grants		 	  $557,352,452 	6,977
Grant 	    State Fiscal Stabilization Fund - Education Fund			  $549,364,388 	24,242
Grant 	    State Fiscal Stabilization Fund - Education Stabilization Fund	  $544,913,152 	3,800
Grant 	    State Fiscal Stabilization Funds- Education Grants		 	  $536,720,284 	0
Loan 	Innovative Energy Technology					 	  $535,000,000 	118
Grant 	    State Fiscal Stabilization Fund - Education Fund			  $519,340,474 	2,011
Grant 	    State Fiscal Stabilization Fund - Education Fund			  $510,967,172 	0
Grant 	    SPECIAL EDUCATION - GRANTS TO STATES		 		  $506,479,753 	62
Grant 	    State Fiscal Stabilization Fund - Education Fund			  $504,625,464 	8,541
Grant 	    State Fiscal Stabilization Fund - Government Services Fund	 	  $491,453,230 	1,035
Grant 	    Title I, Part A--Improving Basic Programs				  $490,575,352 	2,054
Grant 	    WIA Youth, Adult, and Dislocated Worker Formula Combined	 	  $488,646,876 	12,462
Grant 	    State Fiscal Stabilization Fund - Education Fund			  $482,183,579 	916
Grant 	    State Stabilization Fund- Education Fund				  $480,615,789 	3,932
Grant 	    Construction of highways, streets, roads, public sidewalks       	  $477,170,897 	406
Grant 	    State Fiscal Stabilization Fund - Education Fund			  $447,485,056 	5,868
Grant 	    Special Education - Grants to States, Recovery Act		 	  $437,736,052 	2,054
Contract    This award provides for the performance of current contracts	  $437,675,000 	496
Grant 	    The New York State -- infrastructure construction projects	 	  $432,564,200 	59
Grant 	    GRANTS TO STATES FOR CHILDREN WITH DISABILI	 			  $427,178,222 	49
Grant 	    Replacement and upgrade of elevators, boilers, roofs, brickwork  	  $423,284,344 	27
Grant 	    TITLE I GRANTS TO LOCAL EDUCATION AGENCIES	 			  $420,263,561 	1
Grant 	    State Fiscal Stabalization Fund-Education Grants, Recovery Funds	  $416,658,526 	2,673
Grant 	    Grants to States for the Education of Children with Disabilities	  $400,607,836 	698
Grant 	    TITLE I, PART A--IMPROVING BASIC PROGRAMS		 		  $400,603,678 	482
Grant 	    Weatherization Assistance Program				 	  $394,686,513 	43		
Total Jobs ----->  									        280,909

Looks like an incredible amount of educational and infrastructure grants to me, not so much "pet projects". And over 280,000 jobs created.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

They bailed out Goldman, gave out the bonus money to the top execs and then Obama hired a bunch of them into the government. Fannie and Freddy were pushed by the dems and pressure came down for them to make more and more loans.

I'm none too happy with the number of WS guys in the Obama cabinet, but it wasn't Obama who gave out bonuses, it was the bailed out businesses. And Obama's response was to rescind them.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

But I would agree that no one party is to blame for the housing mess. They should have taken all that money and just paid off the banks for the bad loans, then re-vamped the whole thing. Obama forced large banks to take bail outs they did not want or need, why? So they could impose greater regulations on them. And then when they tried to pay back the money the administration refused it. Why? because they want control.

I'd like a cite for this, please.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Obama and this administration are not to be trusted any more than people didn't and shouldn't have trusted what went on when Bush was in office.

Suffice it to say, I don't agree with this contention, either. I don't like everything I see with this Administration, but I don't find them untrustworthy, and I see enormous improvement over the Bush years.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Jill

. I'm none too happy with the number of WS guys in the Obama cabinet, but it wasn't Obama who gave out bonuses, it was the bailed out businesses. And Obama's response was to rescind them.

Really? BS, they got them and Obama hired them.

Suffice it to say, I don't agree with this contention, either. I don't like everything I see with this Administration, but I don't find them untrustworthy, and I see enormous improvement over the Bush years.

Really? An exponential increase in the deficit since 2009 and a downgrade in our credit rating? Really? What happens to us when the world drops the dollar and the source of the world's reserve currency?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Jill

And I can't agree with you. Using your site, and clicking the tab for where the highest stimulus spending occurred, we find this:

Who gives a shit? How many shovel ready jobs were created at that time and how many exist today? Any clue? When the Stimulus money runs out who pays for it? Any clue? The states? The taxpayers are just suppose to pick up the slack? Are people not already being laid off as the Stimulus dollars fade away? Get a grip.