Jobs used as bargaining chip

[Pico and ME]

You're so sensitive for such a classless jerk.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Pico and ME

You're so sensitive for such a classless jerk.

Please tell me your feelings are not hurt.....

[Pico and ME]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Please tell me your feelings are not hurt.....

Not in the least bit. Its fun when I can do something that causes you to show your true colors once again. Thanks.

[Spexxvet]

People who work outside of the military die doing their jobs, too.

http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2009/09...angerous-jobs/

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Pico and ME

Not in the least bit. Its fun when I can do something that causes you to show your true colors once again. Thanks.

I respect your views and your idea that we have different views on the issue. Even though I know you are wrong and will never understand or see the world through my understanding and depth of experience. I don't judge you for it, nor do I condemn you for it, I understand you are naive and have no idea what the fuck you are talking about and don't hold that against you.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

~ a friendly reminder ~

It is an honorable thing to serve one's country for two years in some way, whether it be in the military, senior corps, peace corps or merely volunteering to pick up trash on a highway.

We honor those who died while in service to the country not because they died, but because they did so while serving us. Serving. You and me. Whatever they did, and whatever our attitude towards that was, they did it to serve you and me.

And so, unless we did more for our various countries than pay taxes, in acknowledging our role in something larger than ourselves, we should probably shut the fuck up.

Originally Posted by Pico and ME

Ummm..there have been thousands upon thousands of deaths in the construction field - many of those men died building our bridges, railroads, dams, high-rises, etc. The same is true in factories and in the mining industry. In fact, fatal work injuries in the USA number around 4500 yearly. These men don't get the same reverence.

Originally Posted by Undertoad

We honor those who died while in service to the country not because they died, but because they did so while serving us. Serving. You and me.

Merc didn't die.

Are you saying that you honor people who build our roads and bridges, who prepare and serve our food, who voluntarily pick up trash along the highway, who treat our illnesses the same way that you honor those who have served in the military? They serve us, and many have died while serving us. If not, why not?

Again, just because you were in the military doesn't mean that you should be honored. I know many guys who spent their time in the military getting high and drunk, as often as possible. People in the military are just like the rest of the population. Some should be honored. They chose to work in an occupation, they were compensated for their effort.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Merc didn't die.

Are you saying that you honor people who build our roads and bridges, who prepare and serve our food, who voluntarily pick up trash along the highway, who treat our illnesses the same way that you honor those who have served in the military? They serve us, and many have died while serving us. If not, why not?

Again, just because you were in the military doesn't mean that you should be honored. I know many guys who spent their time in the military getting high and drunk, as often as possible. People in the military are just like the rest of the population. Some should be honored. They chose to work in an occupation, they were compensated for their effort.

I'd agree with that. The shame of it isn't that soldiers get benefits. the shame of it is that their's is an exclusive sacrifice, and has been allowed to eclipse all other sacrifices in the national consciousness.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

They serve us,

They died in the service of their employer. But here's the difference: wrt the military, you and I are the employer. Many have died serving somebody. Folks in the military died serving YOU.

The Constitution opens with "We the people"; We includes you and me; and it is the document that establishes the military.

People in the military are just like the rest of the population. Some should be honored. They chose to work in an occupation, they were compensated for their effort.

They chose to work in an occupation that is deadly, but necessary, for the success and survival of our country. That's default honorable.

I meanwhile did not. I sat on my fat ass and did nothing for it but vote and bitch and moan. I expect you did similar.

Thanks for singling me out, Mr. shut the fuck up.

I did that because I disagree with your opinion on the subject. Please do the same for me.

[glatt]

OK, so let's break this down.

This sort of respect is earned after the following requirements are met, right?
- service is for you and me
- 2 year or more time commitment
- risking life is not required, but helps (road side cleaner was included in examples of honorable jobs)
- death on job is not required

Did I miss anything?

So does public school teacher fit? How about police or firefighters? How about Big Brother/Big Sister volunteer? Foster parents?

[Pico and ME]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Even though I know you are wrong and will never understand or see the world through my understanding and depth of experience. I don't judge you for it, nor do I condemn you for it, I understand you are naive and have no idea what the fuck you are talking about and don't hold that against you.

Uhuh...your deep understanding and experience gets lost in your posting style, then, cause I really don't think anyone would call you deep. Unless its being deeply delusional. You are as deeply entrenched in the right-wing propaganda as you accuse us of being stuck in the liberal bias.