Tampa cops pepper spray a guy to death

[regular.joe]

Originally Posted by tw

Emotion (also called a political agenda) is more important.

Ummm....I'm not sure how to take that statement. For the benefit of the doubt, can you expand on that statement please? It's kind of like saying green grass ( also called a sand trap on a golf course) can be a problem.

[plthijinx]

let me clarify. i have no problem with cops that swore to protect and to serve. that, after all, is what they swore to do. my problem is with the ones that don't give a shit and only care about themselves and what ever political agenda they have.

[tw]

Originally Posted by regular.joe

It's kind of like saying green grass ( also called a sand trap on a golf course) can be a problem.

I don't understand how that paradigm is relevant.

An example: a light bulb. Someone switches on that light. The bulb blows. He knows powering on a light causes light bulbs to fail because he saw it happen. A classic example of a conclusion based only in emotion. He had no reason to make that conclusion. Only his feelings proved it was true.

What causes a bulb to fail? Without knowledge that basic, then he has only converted wild speculation into ‘fact’.

Now, a light bulb fails when its filament vaporizes. This long and slow process is determined by voltage (temperature) and hours of operation. Numbers. Once its filament is so thin, then anything (including power on) snaps the filament. He did not think logically - first learn facts. Instead, he entertained his feelings. Power cycling does not thin out a filament. He used wild speculation to immediately conclude something. As Chicken Little also did to know the sky was falling.

Many of us do that because we never learn a difference between emotional conclusions (ie racism which is only judging someone on a first impression) and logical conclusions (ie obtaining perspective using numbers). So many know the Chicken Little story and yet never learn the underlying lesson.

So, if a sand trap and grass are same, show me the numbers and other facts that say so. Many may see green sand from a distance. Then assume it is grass. Then say it is definitely grass. And then all others ‘know’ it is grass. Because someone said it was without also saying why. Did he say why he knew - with numbers? If not, he was only being emotional - declaring a ‘fact’ only from observation and wild speculation.

The 'political agenda' (or popular urban myth) said switching on light bulbs causes failure. So many blindly believe that only because an emotional conclusion said so. Without the always required reasons why. 'Junk science' defines conclusions based in emotion. That violate well proven principles necessary for logical thought.

Decisions proven only by a feeling are how a political agenda becomes more important than a reality. That was the case in "The Confessions" from PBS. And is also a case (on CBS's 48 Hours) in another murder conviction of a 15 year old who spent most of his twenties and thirties in life imprison because a cop was emotional - not logical. Because the cop had a classic political agenda.


It was not that the cop "did not give a shit". The problem was he cared so much emotionally as to ignore logical thought. To entertain his emotions. To let a political agenda subvert logic based in hard facts and numbers. In the 48 Hour case, that cop routinely suppressed or ignored facts to achieve that political agenda - because he was only emotional.

He cared so much as to subvert logical thought. He cared so much that his reasonings were based only in emotion. That means he was criminal. No adult has the right to let emotions dominate their thinking. Only children are permitted to do that. Conclusions based in emotions may even be a felony.

Its not a felony to say power on destroys light bulbs. But only emotion can make that conclusion.

[Flint]

Wait, why do lightbulbs always go out exactly when you are switching them on?

You're saying this is a coincidence?

[classicman]

Originally Posted by tw

I don't understand how that paradigm is relevant.

Its not a felony to say power on destroys light bulbs. But only emotion can make that conclusion.

Actually power on is exactly what destroys light bulbs. Since the tungsten has less resistance when cool and more resistance when hot. As the initial power is introduced to the filament it creates weak spots where the filament is not precisely the same diameter. This rush of power continues to weaken the filament over time. These weak spots continue to progress at a faster rate than the rest of the filament. Then one day when that initial "rush" of electricity hits the weak spot and its reduced resistance causes it to break/fail/burn out.

So it is, in fact a correct conclusion that " power on destroys light bulbs."
How many light bulbs which are never turned on fail?

[HungLikeJesus]

And all this time I thought it was throwing rocks that caused light bulbs to fail. Or maybe that was glass houses.

[regular.joe]

Emotion and intellect are not mutually exclusive. We, well most of us, are both emotional and intellectual creatures. We should not deny one over the other. I've made many decisions with a gut, intuitive emotional back ground. I"ve made many decisions with a Military Decision Making Process much like a flow chart and in depth war gaming and planning. Generally I use both, with lots of back and forth.

TW, you are reminding me of the movie Equilibrium where emotion is illegal and people take medication to have no emotions. Because emotions are what have caused wars, and the like. You may live a life based only on intellect, I wonder if you are a sociopathic person who does not feel any emotion. Do you emulate body language of the rest of us who do, so as to get along in this world? Hence, your extreme distaste for emotional content of our human behavior, and the focus on this in only it's negative contexts. I am not being derisive here, I am curious. I may have you all wrong, and if I do I am sorry. It is hard in text only conversation to read body language and tone of voice.

Any way, trust me, outside of the news, the human race has many great and fantastic attributes based on our emotional interaction with the world.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Flint

Wait, why do lightbulbs always go out exactly when you are switching them on? You're saying this is a coincidence?

No, I did not say that. Please reread the post. Power cycling clearly does not cause light bulb failure. Reason for that observation was explained. Some who always know from what they feel rather than first learn facts will deny that reality.

Yes, humans are born to be emotional creatures. Emotion traceable to more primitive parts of a brain. Primitive is why emotion is common in children. Described elsewhere was how and why adults stop entertaining their emotions. Learning how to be adult requires brain parts that often develop years later. Also noted was that some do not fully develop until the age of 24.

Being an adult means no longer entertaining emotions. To learn how to separate emotions from reality. To let emotions have no place in decision making.

A cop who let his emotions override facts was mistakenly described as someone who does not care. Reality is often 100% opposite. That cops cares so much as to stop being adult and logical. Need we also cite CA college campus cops who sprayed sitting student point blank with pepper spray? Or National Guardsmen who shot college kids in Ohio? Classic examples of adults who acted as children. Adults who let their emotions make harmful decisions should be prosecuted for being irresponsible.

Some adults may never learn how to separate emotions from logic. That adult child will even do things so foolish as to instigate fist fights. Or automatically believe Airborne keeps one healthy when on airplanes.

Demonstrated by PBS "The Confessions" and CBS's 48 hours "Drawn to Murder" (Aired 24 Dec 2011) are examples of felonies created by policeman who let emotions make decisions. Being an adult says emotion is not found in decisions. A benchmark for separating adults from adult children.

Good was that 3000 died on 11 September. After all, it was good that so many entertained their emotions to successfully commandeer airplanes. Please explain how actions based in emotion is good.


Not included in a list of what causes light bulb failure and described in Grimm's fairy tales: trolls. So quick as to destroy a bulb during the switch flick. Everyone knows that trolls and gremlins are responsible for damage and destruction. It says so in children's books. Adults need to learn what children and adult children already know. Then nobody need be responsible.

[Flint]

Originally Posted by tw

No, I did not say that. Please reread the post. Power cycling clearly does not cause light bulb failure.

I read it, but it isn't clear. I'm not failing to understand--you are failing to explain. Many confuse this.

You state that power cycling does not thin the filament. This is not in question. What is relevant is whether power cycling can cause the instant of failure at which the lightbulb ends its life cycle. You admit that this is the case. You fail to distinguish between long-term and short-term when establishing cause.

Power cycling causes light bulb failure is false in the long-term.
Power cycling causes light bulb failure is true in the short-term.

There are two truths, depending on the specificity employed when stating the question.

[regular.joe]

TW, I'm not sure where to begin. Is the idea that being an adult means no longer entertaining emotions something you have come up with on your own, a school of thought taught by some one, or something that you were taught growing up? My 16 year old son gave me a hug today when I got home, this produced in me a profound feeling of happiness. I entertained that emotion, and thought about the different levels that this made me happy, I won't go into all of this right now. I would say that emotional maturity does not mean we don't entertain emotions as much as we understand the context of emotion in our lives and the consequences of our actions along first, second, and third orders of effect. The beliefe that airborne will keep you from getting sick on an airplane is a problem with logic, not emotion.

The emotion of compassion has produced in people the desire and ability to take unselfish actions that have improved the conditions of this world and the people living in it. This has added to the happiness experienced by many people. Here is a link that I think you may find interesting.

This only one example out of countless that I could show how emotion can be useful.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Flint

I'm not failing to understand--you are failing to explain.

Power cycling causes light bulb failure is false in the long-term.

Incorrect - according to what I remember from HS science class. Perhaps this seems to explain it better than I did.

Due to the high temperature that a tungsten filament is operated at, some of the tungsten evaporates during use. Furthermore, since no light bulb is perfect, the filament does not evaporate evenly. Some spots will suffer greater evaporation and become thinner than the rest of the filament.
These thin spots cause problems. Their electrical resistance is greater than that of average parts of the filament. Since the current is equal in all parts of the filament, more heat is generated where the filament is thinner. The thin parts also have less surface area to radiate heat away with. This "double whammy" causes the thin spots to have a higher temperature. Now that the thin spots are hotter, they evaporate more quickly.
It becomes apparent that as soon as a part of the filament becomes significantly thinner than the rest of it, this situation compounds itself at increasing speed until a thin part of the filament either melts or becomes weak and breaks.

Link

[tw]

Originally Posted by Flint

What is relevant is whether power cycling can cause the instant of failure at which the lightbulb ends its life cycle. You admit that this is the case. You fail to distinguish between long-term and short-term when establishing cause.

A filament breaking during power cycling is only one of many ways a filament breaks. Nobody said it was the only. Bulbs also flash out while constantly on. Some earlier GOES (weather) satellites failed only in months rather than in 10 years when an 'always on' bulb failed repeatedly.

A failure defined by facts and numbers; voltage and hours of operation. A failure created by events long before its filament breaks.

The point addressed in each relevant post. Those who know only using observation will emotionally assume conclusions. Others who think as an adult will first grasp science or other relevant facts before making any conclusions. Adults know primitive emotions must be controlled, subverted, or manipulated. Because that is what adults do. Decide based upon facts; not upon observation or wild speculation traceable to emotions.

We all learned this even from history. Challenger's O-rings. What caused the failure? Not the O'rings. Those were only symptoms. But again, a conclusion made by thinking like an adult; by not making conclusions only upon observation. That bulb failure during power on is only a symptom; not the reason for failure. A completely different conclusion once one does what all adults must do – first learn facts and numbers.

That emotion is completely different from the emotion of a 16 year old's hug. But again, the common fact. Only an adult who was a child would floor the accelerator because a hug made him feel good.

Why did lynching happen in the old West? Adults who were still children implemented emotionally based justice. An example similar to why seven Challenger astronauts were murdered. Wild speculation due to observation to blame bulb failure on power cycling is also only emotion. Emotion proved seven strangers conspired to rape and murder a woman in Norfolk. Or knew six dead in Ohio deserved to be shot. Or knew a 15 year old murdered and surgically castrated an ex-girlfriend in CO. Or knew murdering 3000 on 11 September was good. Or decided a massacre of Tutsis in Central Africa was necessary.

Where were any of these justified by adults acting like adults? Common factor in every case: decisions were based only in their emotions.

Nobody said emotions do not or should not exist. But any adult who lets emotions make a decision is irresponsible. Emotions are a primitive function that primitive creatures and children use to make decisions. No cop has a luxury to justify actions using their feelings. For the same reason why top management had no right to quash every attempt to save seven Columbia astronauts. All examples of adults acting like children or primitive creatures.

Adults learn what is always required to know something. That was even taught in junior high science.

Anyone can test themself. Did you assume into a fact that power cycling causes bulb failure? Or decide to be informed as an adult does to make a conclusion? A cop must think logically even before pressing a trigger. Must learn to quash unacceptable emotions much faster – to make an adult decision.

UT’s original post is, apparently, an example of what happens when adults think like children. Felony prosecution applies if an adult did not think logically.

[classicman]

What a load of crap - Address the points put forth.

Power cycling does not thin out a filament.

then a double down ...

Power cycling clearly does not cause light bulb failure.

Followed by a backpedal hedge after being proven incorrect again.

A filament breaking during power cycling is only one of many ways a filament breaks. Nobody said it was the only.

Only an emotional child cannot admit when wrong. Adults do this, learn from their mistake and move on. Try it, tw. It couldn't hurt.
Here is another paper that says the same thing...

The more frequently a bulb is cycled (more than 1 power-up cycle per 8 hours), the more fatigue and stress are imparted to the bulb. Best practice is to leave the unit on as long as possible to avoid excessive power on-off cycling.

[ZenGum]

GUYS, A DUDE JUST GOT PEPPER-SPRAYED TO DEATH, AND WE'RE ARGUING ABOUT FUCKING LIGHT BULBS!

[Griff]

Originally Posted by ZenGum

GUYS, A DUDE JUST GOT PEPPER-SPRAYED TO DEATH, AND WE'RE ARGUING ABOUT FUCKING LIGHT BULBS!

Ability to keep things in perspective noted.