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Old 02-08-2012, 01:48 PM   #1
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Politics is like movie making. An extremely expensive and risky game.
You can spend millions and not even be heard.

I give you Sir Elton John:
Rich - tick.
Gay - tick.
Out - tick.
Outspoken - tick.

He puts time and money into charities publicly and privately. He wields considerable influence. He has a well known AIDs foundation and throws must-go-to parties which celebs abase themselves to attend. He is in a civil partnership and has a baby, and he's so accepted that anything he does is a big FUCK YOU to homophobes.

Why should he get involved in politics?
His world is music.

Why should Snoop throw money into drug legislation? It will bring him nothing but grief. At least if he spends said money on weed, he'll get some pleasure out of it. I know almost nothing about him, but my guess is if he supports any charities they will be music based and/ or getting children out of gang danger. My apols if it turns out he is Ivy League educated (in which case he may have set up scholarships).

You can't affect politics by throwing money at it.
Money helps. Money diverts some issues and clouds others.
But people outside of political life have their own choices and preferences. And unlike politicians this is not their career, not their way to power and not the way they want to change the world. So why would they compromise, get into bed with enemies, put out propaganda, play dirty tricks..? Why not instead act, sing, write, give interviews, go on chat shows and make fun of opposing views, ENTERTAIN us until their POV seems normal and natural.

When I am a multi-millionaire I will support organised causes. I will not go into politics.
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Old 02-08-2012, 01:54 PM   #2
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Politics is like movie making. An extremely expensive and risky game.
You can spend millions and not even be heard.

I give you Sir Elton John:
Rich - tick.
Gay - tick.
Out - tick.
Outspoken - tick.

He puts time and money into charities publicly and privately. He wields considerable influence. He has a well known AIDs foundation and throws must-go-to parties which celebs abase themselves to attend. He is in a civil partnership and has a baby, and he's so accepted that anything he does is a big FUCK YOU to homophobes.

Why should he get involved in politics?
His world is music.

Why should Snoop throw money into drug legislation? It will bring him nothing but grief. At least if he spends said money on weed, he'll get some pleasure out of it. I know almost nothing about him, but my guess is if he supports any charities they will be music based and/ or getting children out of gang danger. My apols if it turns out he is Ivy League educated (in which case he may have set up scholarships).

You can't affect politics by throwing money at it.
Money helps. Money diverts some issues and clouds others.
But people outside of political life have their own choices and preferences. And unlike politicians this is not their career, not their way to power and not the way they want to change the world. So why would they compromise, get into bed with enemies, put out propaganda, play dirty tricks..? Why not instead act, sing, write, give interviews, go on chat shows and make fun of opposing views, ENTERTAIN us until their POV seems normal and natural.

When I am a multi-millionaire I will support organised causes. I will not go into politics.
I guess my point is that the advent of the SuperPAC CHANGES all that. Have you heard much about Citizens United and SuperPACs? Basically anyone with money can donate an infinite amount to a SuperPAC with very little oversight, and very little disclosure, which can then run commercials, buy airtime, etc. So I would argue, the SuperPAC gives the wealthy an (entirely unfair, but nonetheless exploitable by either side) opportunity to take positions, to argue for political causes, in a way that keeps them shielded and separate from Politics-with-a-capital-P.
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Old 02-08-2012, 02:06 PM   #3
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I have heard about SuperPAC. But funding comes out. It is leaked. There are accountants, lawyers, advisors. There is a paper trail.

And I repeat - money spent on politics is exremely high risk.
Millions disappear and society is its same obstreperous self. Think of the (haha) bottomless pit of money available to the Govt. Do they always get their way? Or are policies guided and reformed by public opinion. They certainly are in this country.

Business is more often in bed with politics than the arts.
Extremely wealthy gay businessmen may well be closeted.
And if they are open, then why should they put their sexuality ahead of monetary gain - straight businessmen are not required to. Grab, grab, grab, regardless of wht you like in the bedroom. Now that's equality.

I'm not disagreeing with you per se.
Just offering an alternative view.
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