The proper role and scope of government

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

If you invoke the First Amendment, as you did in post 226, then you are incorrectly separating the state and Federal level. It applies equally to both.

Ok, prove it. I never made such an argument about it applying equally to both. They are completely different. One is top down, the other bottom up. I would be glad to watch you show how they are the same. Please cite as you go.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

If you invoke the First Amendment, as you did in post 226, then you are incorrectly separating the state and Federal level. It applies equally to both.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Ok, prove it. I never made such an argument about it applying equally to both. They are completely different. One is top down, the other bottom up. I would be glad to watch you show how they are the same. Please cite as you go.

Logic 101: If A implies B, then (not B) implies (not A).

According to the Supreme Court, since the 14th Amendment, the states are prevented from doing anything that the 1st Amendment would prevent the Federal government from doing.

A = The First Amendment prevents the Federal Government from enforcing this rule.
B = The First Amendment prevents the states from enforcing this rule.


Many states require insurance to cover birth control, therefore (not B).

(not B) implies (not A)

Therefore, the First Amendment does NOT prevent the Federal Government from enforcing this rule.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Logic 101: If A implies B, then (not B) implies (not A).

According to the Supreme Court, since the 14th Amendment, the states are prevented from doing anything that the 1st Amendment would prevent the Federal government from doing.

A = The First Amendment prevents the Federal Government from enforcing this rule.
B = The First Amendment prevents the states from enforcing this rule.


Many states require insurance to cover birth control, therefore (not B).

(not B) implies (not A)

Therefore, the First Amendment does NOT prevent the Federal Government from enforcing this rule.

Religious freedom, Constitutional issue specifically described.

Marriage issue, states issue, marriage not specifically described in the Constitution and not being challenged from that respect.

Pretty clear to me.

[Happy Monkey]

My post was explicitly about the birth control rule, and had the cites you requested, and does not make use of any references to marriage.

You respond with some sentence fragments about marriage.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Pretty clear to me.

That makes one of you.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

My post was explicitly about the birth control rule, and had the cites you requested, and does not make use of any references to marriage.

Ibby dragged that into the discussion which is where the whole thing ended up before you chimed in. Hence, my responses were about those two issues, repeatedly.

You respond with some sentence fragments about marriage.

That makes one of you.

You came late to the party. So what, are you impotent?