Guns don't kill people ....

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

If he'd asked to be shot, the other guy wouldn't have shot him? Like reverse psychology or something? What are you on about?

sexobon: ... instead of enabling armed citizens to kill in the name of security, you enable doctors to kill in the name of convenience!

Happy Monkey: ... Trayvon Martin didn't ask to be "secured".

I used the concept of security referring to the person who did the shooting. You turned "secured" into a euphemism for being shot, apparently just to make a flippant connection to euthanasia. I was comparing Lamplighter to Zimmerman both of whom are relevant to the discussion. You went off on a tangent contrasting Trayvon Martin to unknown euthanasia participants.

sexobon: ... Perhaps if he had, he'd still be alive just like the person who claims to have secured himself from him. Duh.

Here, I returned to using the concept of security in my original relevant context suggesting that if Trayvon Martin had asked Zimmerman (a neighborhood watch member) to protect [secure] him when they met, Trayvon Martin couldn't have been characterized as a threat and might still be alive today.

Thank you for your question.

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

... Otherwise, such are only debating tactics to divert from my issue of people being killed by guns.
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You still can't bring yourself to say something like "people killing others with guns." You repeatedly use language that portrays people as victims and guns as perpetrators. That's diagnostic for an antigun fanatic and why I've written you off for meaningful exchange on this subject. Thanks for the entertainment.

[Lamplighter]

You still can't bring yourself to say something like "people killing others with guns."
You repeatedly use language that portrays people as victims and guns as perpetrators.
That's diagnostic for an antigun fanatic and why I've written you off for meaningful exchange on this subject.
Thanks for the entertainment.

Oh, sure I can: "People are killing others with guns"
I can also say people are unintentionally killing others with guns
I can also say people are unintentionally killing themselves with guns
And yes, I do portray people as victims... they are the victims.

Once again, it's down to name-calling and quibbling over my wording.
It's OK to write me off --- that matters little, and I'm sorry to lose the conversation.
But what does matter is to be aware of a problem, but find a pretext to avoid it.

Take care.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by sexobon

sexobon: ... instead of enabling armed citizens to kill in the name of security, you enable doctors to kill in the name of convenience!

Happy Monkey: ... Trayvon Martin didn't ask to be "secured".

I used the concept of security referring to the person who did the shooting.

Right. Zimmerman did the shooting. Zimmerman killed in the name of security. Treyvon Martin was killed by Zimmerman. Of course I

turned "secured" into a euphemism for being shot, apparently just to make a flippant connection to euthanasia.

Actually, you introduced the flippant between Treyvon Martin and euthanasia:

Originally Posted by sexobon

Oregon Sets Assisted Suicide Record

Go, go, go Oregonians

sexobon: ... Perhaps if he had, he'd still be alive just like the person who claims to have secured himself from him. Duh.

Here, I returned to using the concept of security in my original relevant context...

( Zimmerman providing "security" for his neighborhood)

... suggesting that if Trayvon Martin had asked Zimmerman (a neighborhood watch member) to protect [secure] him when they met, Trayvon Martin couldn't have been characterized as a threat and might still be alive today.

If he'd done what? Approached the armed man who's been following him around and asked him for protection from... what? Again, what are you on about?