Guns don't kill people ....

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

A useless statistic. 66% of how many women? 100? 1000?
I know that even one is too many, but abusers will use any tool at their disposal.
Lack of having a weapon won't change an underlying mindset.
The other thing missing from that statistic is did it happen once in their life or seven times a day?

FWIW, what difference does it make how often ?
Is once enough, or does the intimidator get one freebee, or two, or... ?

Here is data from the Abstract:

Am J Public Health. 2004 Aug;94(8):1412-7.
Weapons in the lives of battered women.
Sorenson SB, Wiebe DJ.
School of Public Health, University of California, Los Angeles

OBJECTIVES:
We assessed weapon use in intimate partner violence and perspectives on hypothetical firearm policies.

METHODS:
We conducted structured in-person interviews with 417 women in 67 battered women's shelters.

RESULTS:
Words, hands/fists, and feet were the most common weapons used against and by battered women.
About one third of the battered women had a firearm in the home.
In two thirds of these households, the intimate partner used the gun(s) against the woman,
usually threatening to shoot/kill her (71.4%) or to shoot at her (5.1%).
Most battered women thought spousal notification/consultation regarding gun purchase
would be useful and that a personalized firearm ("smart gun") in the home would make things worse.

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

FWIW, what difference does it make how often ?
Is once enough, or does the intimidator get one freebee, or two, or... ?

I wholeheartedly agree. However having a firearm doesn't make a person an abuser.

Also the figure isn't 66% of battered women in shelters. It is 66% of one third.

About one third of the battered women had a firearm in the home.
In two thirds of these households...

So, 417 * .33 = 137

137 * .66 = 90

The real number is 90/417 or about 21%

Still shitty if you are being abused, but closer to truth and accuracy.

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

I wholeheartedly agree. However having a firearm doesn't make a person an abuser.
Also the figure isn't 66% of battered women in shelters. It is 66% of one third.
So, 417 * .33 = 137
137 * .66 = 90
The real number is 90/417 or about 21%
Still shitty if you are being abused, but closer to truth and accuracy.

Yes F3, you are correct.
I misinterpreted the wording of the abstract, and I apologize.
Below is the abstract, along with the associated paragraph in the full article.

In the Abstract:

RESULTS:
Words, hands/fists, and feet were the most common weapons used against and by battered women.
About one third of the battered women had a firearm in the home.
In two thirds of these households, the intimate partner used the gun(s) against the woman,
usually threatening to shoot/kill her (71.4%) or to shoot at her (5.1%).
Most battered women thought spousal notification/consultation regarding gun purchase
would be useful and that a personalized firearm ("smart gun") in the home would make things worse.

In the full text of the publication

Firearm use.
If a gun was kept in the home, the respondent was asked whether
she and her partner had used the gun(s) against each other.
Nearly two thirds (64.5%) responded that the partner had used one of the guns to scare, threaten, or harm her.
When asked what happened during the incident, 71.4% of these 98 women
reported that the partner threatened to shoot or to kill her.
Respondents also reported that the partner threatened to kill himself (4.1%)
or to harm or to kill the children (3.1%). Five percent (5.1%) of the women reported
that their partner had shot at them (16.3% did not answer the question).
In most cases (74.5%), substances had been used by the partner just before the incident:
30.6% had used alcohol and other drugs, 27.6% had used alcohol only,
and 16.3% had used other drugs only.