Why is it ok to treat women like shit?

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by Gravdigr

Both those posts you point out were posted AFTER the shit flew. And were/are clearly retaliatory posts. Anybody with a brain cell would see that.

Carry on.

I see. So rather than make an attempt to understand how a respected member of long standing felt about some of your posts, you just went into school ground bully mode? I actually like you Gravdigr (most of the time). I hail from Kentucky originally, and I really miss it sometimes. It's nice to have a Kentuckian on the Cellar. But one thing my Kentucky father taught me was the importance of good manners and that a man should never act in a disrespectful manner to a woman or use foul language in front of her. I suppose some might call this reverse sexism, but my father was old school and a true Southern gentleman. These attitudes stood him in good stead for most of his life.

[infinite monkey]

Just my for some of you:



That's an illustration of jim's great point of the joy getting sucked out of this place.

Jesus Fuck a Flying Donkey In the Ass Twice on the Sabbath and Cunt Boo Piss.

Did that offend someone? I'm sorry, please to shove it up your ass 3 times and call me Poindexter.

It's gotten sooooooooooo ridiculous.

[Sheldonrs]

Originally Posted by infinite monkey

... please to shove it up your ass 3 times and call me Poindexter...

Did I miss something? Was there supposed to be a punishment in there somewhere, Poindexter?

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Sheldonrs

Did I miss something? Was there supposed to be a punishment in there somewhere, Poindexter?

Is it really punishment if they ask for it? And if they like it?

[Gravdigr]

Originally Posted by SamIam

I see. So rather than make an attempt to understand how a respected member of long standing felt about some of your posts, you just went into school ground bully mode? I actually like you Gravdigr (most of the time). I hail from Kentucky originally, and I really miss it sometimes. It's nice to have a Kentuckian on the Cellar. But one thing my Kentucky father taught me was the importance of good manners and that a man should never act in a disrespectful manner to a woman or use foul language in front of her. I suppose some might call this reverse sexism, but my father was old school and a true Southern gentleman. These attitudes stood him in good stead for most of his life.

When I get poked, I poke back.

Didja read her posts, across multiple threads? There's nothing I could have said to placate Brianna.

As for my retaliatory posting...I was just trying to live down to her expectations. Childish, yes, but, we wouldn't want her to be wrong in her vitriol, now would we?

[classicman]

Is this image ok?
Perhaps I'm being dense (wouldn't be the first time)
Butt, I am thoroughly confused as to where the "line" is.

[classicman]

How about this one ...

[DanaC]

Well, as I have said in a number of places, it isn't really the nudie pics that are the problem, as far as I can see. It isn't about the tits per se. It's about the tone of what's being said and shown. And it's about prevalence of such images at any given time. A pic of a sexy chick, no problem. A stream of images of women in prone positions with captions and commentaries that reduce them to disposable objects is more problematic.

It goes back to one of my usual refrains, I think: it's about intent. Who is laughing at whom, and why? What's the basis for the humour, since we're mainly talking about the lulz posters really.

In his poke back at Bri, Grav posted some really nasty examples, which are somewhat more extreme than most of what goes into those threads. I think it's fair to say that he really doesn't usually go in for the nastier ones.

As I said, the other thing is frequency. The threads marked NSFW, are just that: not safe for work. I like pics that aren;t safe for work. I'm intrigued, titillated, horrified, and fascinated turn and turn about. But sometimes, just sometimes, it turns into the NSFWNF thread: not safe for work naked females thread. And it's like that's all there is. Page after page of silicone tits and ass, like a garage wall covered in centrefolds. At which point I think....yeah. This thread isn't for me. It's for the boys, I have no place here.

Mostly it just goes by. This is the world we live in, this is life. But now and again it bothers me. Because it is a continuation of something much bigger and all encompassing about life as a woman. Which is why I completely understood Bri's response to the latest flurry.



I don't know if that makes it any clearer.

[jimhelm]

ok, stop looking at that guy's wang then

[Aliantha]

Does anyone else feel like this thread is starting to chase its own tail?

What's the difference between objectification and admiration anyway? Is it simply the fact of knowing the person you're objectifying a little, or even a lot, and even if you don't know someone, can't you admire them without being accused of objectification?

Yeah I know some people (myself included at times) find some of gravs posts pretty crass, but is there anyone on this board who you agree with ALL the time and have never thought to yourself, "wow, I didn't expect THAT"?

We've all had our little bitch or moan or complain. Enough is enough isn't it?

I'm just happy I made Bri laugh. I didn't expect THAT!

[infinite monkey]

I think your question is confusing, classic.

The girl wouldn't need to be posted in nsfw. One might be choosing a dress or a hairstyle. The guy should be posted in nsfw because his sock cock is pretty much out there.

I might post the girl if I were asking for opinions on hair or dress, I wouldn't post the guy because I'm not in the market for men's underwear. I also wouldn't drool and snort and beat off about him because...so what? Maybe if he's really smart and funny I could overlook what they've marketed him for. Other than that: meh.

[DanaC]

Actually, I agree with you about it going round in circles, Ali. But Classic's post (as with some others) suggested he didn't really get what it was that had annoyed some of us. So, I was trying to explain.

For the record, I don't think Grav is especially bad on this compared with much of what goes on on teh interwebz.

[eta]

What's the difference between objectification and admiration anyway? Is it simply the fact of knowing the person you're objectifying a little, or even a lot, and even if you don't know someone, can't you admire them without being accused of objectification?

I think the difference is, as I've said before, a matter of tone. There's a difference between 'objectifying' someone by suggesting they're good for sex, and 'reducing to an object' by suggesting that's all someone is good for. Some of the pics rely on a shared assumption that women exist for men's pleasure. Rather than on the shared assumption that men take pleasure in women.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by jimhelm

ok, stop looking at that guy's wang then

It was never about the tits or the wangs :p

[classicman]

Originally Posted by jimhelm

ok, stop looking at that guy's wang then

Which guy's wang? Both the pics I posted were of men.

@Dana - that was my point.

[jimhelm]

which guy's wang can you see?