Guns don't kill people ....

[xoxoxoBruce]

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[Spexxvet]

The man who killed two people and seriously wounded a third in a crowded Oregon mall Tuesday was identified Wednesday, the Associated Press reports.

Shortly before 3:30 p.m. Tuesday, Jacob Tyler Roberts, 22, walked into a Portland mall carrying a long AR-15 semi-automatic rifle, according to police reports.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/...fter-killing-2

This guy probably wanted to use a bat or a knife, he could have fucked up way more people if he did.

[glatt]

I thought I read that he stole the gun from a friend. So any background check or waiting period type of regulation wouldn't have worked here. The only way to prevent this would be to completely ban guns.

And I'm glad he used a long rifle in the mall. It's serious looking, but in a confined space like a mall, a long rifle is a bad choice for doing serious damage. A handgun or some sort of short barrel would have been much worse. Look at the numbers. Only 2 dead. Terrible, but it could have been much worse.

I expect that this guy will be found to by mentally ill. That's the real story. We need to do a better job as a society of identifying and treating the mentally ill before they do stuff like this. I think it ties in to affordable health care. You can attack this problem from the health care side instead of the gun grab side and probably be more effective.

The gun debate is over. The Supreme Court ruled a couple years ago when it said that the DC gun ban was unconstitutional.

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by glatt

I thought I read that he stole the gun from a friend. So any background check or waiting period type of regulation wouldn't have worked here. The only way to prevent this would be to completely ban guns.

And I'm glad he used a long rifle in the mall. It's serious looking, but in a confined space like a mall, a long rifle is a bad choice for doing serious damage. A handgun or some sort of short barrel would have been much worse. Look at the numbers. Only 2 dead. Terrible, but it could have been much worse.

I expect that this guy will be found to by mentally ill. That's the real story. We need to do a better job as a society of identifying and treating the mentally ill before they do stuff like this. I think it ties in to affordable health care. You can attack this problem from the health care side instead of the gun grab side and probably be more effective.

The gun debate is over. The Supreme Court ruled a couple years ago when it said that the DC gun ban was unconstitutional.

Glatt, I'm usually in agreement with you, but with this posting I am not.

I agree that "background checks" are not efficient enough to deal with the problem.
But discussing the "tactics" of which weapon is better or worse just ignores the real problems.

The Supreme Court has, indeed, made a ruling on this, but the gun debate is not over.

I've posted my belief before that eventually the US people will have had enough,
and will place the blame squarely on the NRA and it's supporters who are contributing agents.

Probably not in my lifetime, but eventually this craziness over gun rights will be reversed.
In the meantime, maybe our staunch NRA/gun-rights Dwellars will step up
and rationalize again how the events today in Connecticut are someone else's fault.