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  ), what difference does it make? Mom's prerogative, I say.
		
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 Twil and I had a great roadtrip this weekend where we had dinner with friends at a vegan restaurant, Herbivore, in Berkeley. The food, especially the roasted vegetables, was delicious. Twil's friend, M, a dedicated vegan of some years standing chose the restaurant and fielded many questions about the vegan life. In particular, I asked about several entries on the menu that said "chicken" or "beef". M said Herbivore was something of a starter experience for those easing into vegan life and items like this have absolutely no chicken or beef, but are named that way to give some frame of reference to the uninitiated who might not be familiar with seitan for example. The idea is that no animal products are used in the dish, though you might compare it to chicken or beef. This aspect of veganism interested me and I asked about milk, since yogurt was also prominently featured on the menu. M said this was made with some other kind of milk, almond milk, cashew milk, soy milk, but was otherwise processed and treated the same way. Huh, no milk either. I wondered about babies and asked if veganism was an adult choice, since babies are made to thrive on breast milk. It is helpful to know that Twil, M, and S are all hardcore breastfeeding advocates. M handled the question and said, human breast milk is not considered contrary to veganism since it is consumed by humans and comes from humans. Ok, ok. S, Twil's other friend at the dinner, started to say something, thought better of it, blushed and grinned madly. In this group that would not do. Out with it, and she did. The topic of "placenta parties" was what she was wondering about. M needed a bit of an explanation, but once she understood, she said she thought it was gross, but not a "violation" of veganism, (though it might be considered cannibalism). In support of her opinion, she gave the example of oral sex (just a mention, not a demonstration) as "kosher" for vegan consumption.       Up to then, I hadn't realize how vegan-friendly my lifestyle's been. ![]() Like I said, dinner was great, and the food was delicious too. This was a lively, open-minded group and though I was the new guy, I felt right at home, right away. A great group of friends, and so educational! [/thread drift] 
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