I hate the medical profession

[Nirvana]

Love your comments Xob. I am not against all modern medical treatment.

HM The only way to have double blind studies is to have them funded. That takes so much money that only a drug company could afford to have this done, or the government who would never bite the hand that feeds them. Drug companies funding drug research is most certainly a conflict of interest since commercial value outweighs any effective treatment value. What is a few thousand deaths compared to 20 million symptoms masked?

An orange may affect a cure for scurry but you may not say this because that would make it a drug subject to the scrutiny of FDA approval.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Nirvana

Modern medicine = treat the symptoms

Alternative= cure the ailment

No, alternative treatments are frequently aimed at symptoms, too. Homeopathy explicitly so. And vaccines and antibiotics treat the ailment.

Originally Posted by Nirvana

HM The only way to have double blind studies is to have them funded. That takes so much money that only a drug company could afford to have this done, or the government who would never bite the hand that feeds them.

I'd have sympathy for that viewpoint if any alternative medicines that failed double-blind studies that actually were performed despite the cost were subsequently dropped from the market. The closest I can think of is Zicam which was recalled after causing actual harm, but have any been recalled for uselessness?

That's one of the things that makes drug production expensive - if they fail then they don't get to sell it.

That's not something the alternative medicine producers have to deal with.

Drug companies funding drug research is most certainly a conflict of interest since commercial value outweighs any effective treatment value. What is a few thousand deaths compared to 20 million symptoms masked?

And what is a few thousand deaths due to lack of effective treatment compared to 20 million customers buying your alternative pills? Commercial value outweighs any effective testing value on the alternative side.

[Nirvana]

That's one of the things that makes drug production expensive - if they fail then they don't get to sell it.

Vioxx?

Commercial value outweighs any effecive testing value on the alternative side.

Isn't that the problem? BTW I do not own alternatives they are not "mine" I prefer a mix of the available information. I will visit a physician. I also believe that people should be able to choose their own path. Even if Steve Jobs could have lived longer maybe he did not want to...Should medical care be forced on people? No, unless they are a danger to others...

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Nirvana

Vioxx?

A failure of the system doesn't make the lack of any system into a virtue.

Vioxx was removed from the market after fraud was discovered in its clinical trials, and after further studies found more risk.

Would it have been better if they had put it on the market without clinical trials? And never did any further studies to assess risk after the fact?

Isn't that the problem?

Yes; that's why you should err on the side of the treatments that are required to do the testing despite the cost. Occasional failures in testing are better than never testing and ignoring any testing that does occur.

BTW I do not own alternatives they are not "mine" I prefer a mix of the available information.

I was unclear; the "your" in that sentence was intended to be from the perspective of the alternative medication provider.

[Nirvana]

Claiming there is a lack of any testing for vitamin and alternative treatments is false information.

While I understand this company provides vitamins and alternatives it also provides in depth double blind study results on many treatments and supplements. The problem in modern medicine is it's all or nothing else will work approach or the disregard for information that is not funneled though the medical/drug community.

Life Extension

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This is not my health bible, it is but one tool I use to learn about viable alternatives. They do not sell snake oil.