Illegal wire tapping of the FOX reporter

[glatt]

Originally Posted by Adak

If a reporter can't meet or communicate with his confidential sources, without being wire tapped and or put under surveillance , then very few confidential sources will come forward, since obviously they would be exposed.

Do you understand that fact, at least? Do you understand how completely that cuts out having a free press, and investigative reporting, of any subject that the current administration doesn't like?

I don't think anyone is arguing with you on that point. You said the wiretap was illegal and that Holder committed perjury. You gave no cites to back up those statements. Both assertions are false.

I don't like what Holder has done, but it's not illegal to get a court order to wiretap someone, and it wasn't perjury to say that he wasn't prosecuting members of the press when he wasn't actually prosecuting members of the press.

This is the one scandal that I'm against Obama on, and you've got me defending his administration because you are making shit up. Just stick to the facts. They are bad enough.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by glatt

I don't think anyone is arguing with you on that point. You said the wiretap was illegal and that Holder committed perjury. You gave no cites to back up those statements. Both assertions are false.

I don't like what Holder has done, but it's not illegal to get a court order to wiretap someone, and it wasn't perjury to say that he wasn't prosecuting members of the press when he wasn't actually prosecuting members of the press.

This is the one scandal that I'm against Obama on, and you've got me defending his administration because you are making shit up. Just stick to the facts. They are bad enough.

I gave my source, and gave a link to it. You just didn't like it.

A reporter is NOT a co-conspirator, because he communicates with confidential (whistle blower) sources.

At the time I started this thread, it appeared that it was illegal, and that Holder had committed perjury.

I'm not a mind reader, and Holder certainly has not been forthcoming with the details in this matter.

This is not a court of law. My opinion was that Holder vastly overstepped his authority in this case, and that he was lying to Congress, but I had not heard his recorded previous testimony, until yesterday.

Despite their assertions to the contrary, Nixon was a crook, Clinton did have sex with Monica, Bush knew there probably was no weapon of mass destruction in Iraq, and Obama lied about Benghazi, through Susan Rice.

You may call it something different, but a very misleading statement from a high public official, should be judged a lie, because of the trust and authority, we have given these people.

I don't believe a jury would see it any differently, in a court of law.

Yes, we need to raise a fuss about this. That's the only way to keep these politicians in line. We can't wait until all the facts have been ascertained, before we start. By the time that happens it's "yesterdays news. Nothing new here to see.", and the opportunity to resist or debate the action, is lost - right along with our rights.

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by Adak

Despite their assertions to the contrary,
Nixon was a crook,
Clinton did have sex with Monica,
Bush knew there probably was no weapon of mass destruction in Iraq,
and Obama lied about Benghazi, through Susan Rice.

How short is your memory, Olly ?
Did you deliberately skip that mental giant, Ronald Regan
and Iran-Contra / Lying to Congress

Pardoned before trial
Caspar Weinberger, United States Secretary of Defense,
Duane R. Clarridge (US Republican Party)

Plead guilty / Agreed to cooperate / Pardoned by Bush
Elliott Abrams
Robert C. McFarlane,
Alan D. Fiers
Richard Secord
Albert Hakim

Found Guilty
Richard R. Miller
Oliver North
John Poindexter
Clair George
Thomas G. Clines
Carl R. Channel