WikiLeaks

[Undertoad]

This could be bigger than Snowden himself, because this is where it goes to courts, where the rubber hits the road.

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

This could be bigger than Snowden himself, because this is where it goes to courts, where the rubber hits the road.

We know that James Clapper, America's Director of National Intelligence admitted he gave erroneous answers to Congress about the scale of surveillance. We know the George Jr administration literally bypassed even the FISA court because "rubber stamp approval" of overt spying, extraordinary retention, secret prisons, Guantanamo and torture were not enough.

We also learn from history. When the sneakies intentionally tried to subvert Australian Presidential elections, then the super secret Keyhole spy satellite system was leaked. When Nixon literally massacred 50,000 Americans to protect his legacy, then the Pentagon Papers were leaked. When Nixon literally tried to subvert the American government, then Deep Throat stepped forward to save America. When liars in the military covered up often and repeated murder of innocent civilians, Americans, and reporters, then WikiLeaks exposed those lies.

So now we have spying that literally records every phone call and email. That even intentionally bugs diplomatic communications of our closest allies. And we once thought the book 1984 was only a fictional story. It would never happen in America.

And then so many Americans voted twice for a man so dumb as to even blame 11 September on Saddam Hussein. And declare we would unilaterally invade Iraq, Iran, and North Korea. We are living with a legacy that has empowered people who cannot be trusted with unlimited power.

They did not even tell Congress how massive and anti-American their activities had become. And they routinely destroyed so many Americans who tried to warn us.

Like bankers and stock brokers, these guys need massive oversight and regulation. We never knew how bad it really was until Snowden exposed their deceit. Only then did James Clapper admit he blatantly lied to Congress.

[Griff]

The year is 2013. This is the Obama Administration.

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Originally Posted by Griff

The year is 2013. This is the Obama Administration.

Then learn from history how reality really works. A two or three Trillion (not billion - Trillion) dollars wasted in Mission Accomplished appears on today's spread sheets. The intentional attempt to subvert Australia's government resulted in serious consequences maybe seven years later. Spying without oversight today is directly traceable to Cheney, et al who wanted a dictatorship and more power for his Central Party. His biggest problem - names such as National Socialist and Communist had already been taken.

Historians cite a major reason for WWII. The Versailles Treaty in 1918 resulted in world wide war in the 1940s. How can that be according to your reasoning? Why did mistakes in the Wilson Adminstration cause war in the FDR adminstration? Welcome to how the world really works.

We also know that 30+ years of no innovation in GM products had nothing to do with the resulting bankruptcy? Nonsense.

George Jr's administration intentionally subverts all NSA oversight. We are now just beginning to learn how bad is was. And why some nations are now so adversarial.

We are still undoing the damage created by wacko extremist, anti-American George Jr people. Major enemies of America are Americans who are extremists - not independent, not educated, and not moderate.

We have problems with Iraq, Iran, and North Korea because of Obama? Obviously not. George Jr said we would "Pearl Harbor" them. You read my posts warning of consequences back around 2003 when it was that obvious. Obviously, Obama did not create those problems either.

And yet still some recite a diatribe from Limbaugh, Hannity, Tea Party, and other wackos. Many still refuse to learn of and from history. Others had previously warned of what dumb George Jr was doing. And therefore saw their income and livelyhood destroyed. Finally one blew a whistle loud enough so that most Americans now ignore wacko extremist rhetoric. We now know that unrestricted spying on all Americans was normal. Created by the same people so dumb as to thing unrestricted torture (Nazi style) was also good.

It will take a long time to undo massive damage to American by the dumb George Jr and his administration of wackos extremists. We still have economics problems directly those poeple who were so dumb. Even the American internet has now dropped out of the top ten due to wacko extremists changes created in 2002. How can that be? How do changes a decade ago subvert America's technology today? Welcome to reality. We know consequences can occur four, ten or twenty years later. History does not change because it was ignored.

If anyone should be blamed most, it should be an obvious wacko extremist - Cheney. But then a few people actually saw consequences when liars preached the Axis of Evil. We are now living the legacy of that lie. And the legacy of idiots who then reelected those liars. Being uneducated and brainwashed has consequences even ten plus years later.