Government Shut Down

[orthodoc]

Yes, my oldest son is at the PTO. He's hoping like mad that this is resolved quickly. He's been told they have about ten days of reserves, but if it's 4 weeks, fantastic.

A weekend schedule for the metro would be awful. We attempted to get downtown this past weekend to see museums and monuments and ended up walking an extra mile or two because the trains were just standing. Good exercise, but we already had a major hike planned. Doing that on workdays would ... well, I guess we'd get used to it.

I'll be furloughed but I can grab an extra desk at another non-government (but occ med/environmental med) office, apparently, so I'll still be going into the city each morning.

[Griff]

Interesting Poll here

79% of the country thinks a shutdown is a bad thing. 46% blame the GOP Congress if it occurs. 69% believe the Reps in Congress are behaving like spoiled children. 58% say the Dems in Congress are. 38% are in favor of Obamacare. 57% oppose it. 60% however think its more important to prevent a government shutdown than stopping ACA. 68% say it would be bad to shutdown the government for a few days. 79% think it would be bad to shut it down for a few weeks.

Bottom line, the people are not convinced that Obamacare is a good thing, however, shutting down the government is seen as an extreme response. The GOP appears to have an extremist problem at least as far as these poll responders are concerned, but the Democrats need to stop pretending Obamacare currently has widespread support. We'll see what happens to those numbers as people get more familiar and implementation continues. One reading of it anyway.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Of course people are against it, they've been bombarded with half-truths, and flat out lies for the last six years. Look at ADAK, for Christ sake. Most of the people I meet who are against it have no idea what it is or how it works, no less how it will affect them. Fear of the unknown is one of man's worst.

[Stormieweather]

Originally Posted by Griff

38% are in favor of Obamacare. 57% oppose it.

Of those that oppose it, quite a few do so because they don't feel it goes far enough!! Additionally, conservatives oppose "Obamacare" far more vehemently than they do the "Affordable Care Act".

[Adak]

Originally Posted by Stormieweather

Of those that oppose it, quite a few do so because they don't feel it goes far enough!! Additionally, conservatives oppose "Obamacare" far more vehemently than they do the "Affordable Care Act".

Would that be BEFORE he called the Tea Party "Teabaggers" in a public speech, or AFTER?

I heard that in an audio file today, and I was quite shocked that the President of the United States, would make such an offensive remark as that, in a public speech. It's not like he doesn't have speech writers, and notes, etc.

If you can't stay civil, you don't belong in politics.

[Lamplighter]

If you can't stay civil, you don't belong in politics.

This from the 2/27/09 protest of the American Tea Party at the White House...



This from the 9/10/09 pre-March on Washington...



Jonathan Alter's book, The Promise: President Obama, Year One,
revealed that Obama used the term in November 2009.




Adak, please note the dates above...
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and calls itself a duck,
is it unusual for someone else to call it a duck ?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Adak

Would that be BEFORE he called the Tea Party "Teabaggers" in a public speech, or AFTER?

Only because stupid fucking traitors was already taken by FOX.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Only because stupid fucking traitors was already taken by FOX.

Exactly. Obama campaigned that his would be the most transparent presidency ever, and bring us together.

Instead, the court today dismissed his refusal to release documents relative to the fast and furious gun running deal, brushing aside his request for executive privilege.

Every class of American has been distanced from the next, by his campaign to "redistribute wealth".

I expect demonstrators to use the simple connection of tea bag with teabaggers, but I don't expect my Congress man, let alone the President to act that way.

Being good at calling others names isn't a legacy fit for any President.

[xoxoxoBruce]

It's really scary you actually believe the shit you spew.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by Adak

Exactly. Obama campaigned that his would be the most transparent presidency ever, and bring us together.

Instead, the court today dismissed his refusal to release documents relative to the fast and furious gun running deal, brushing aside his request for executive privilege.

Every class of American has been distanced from the next, by his campaign to "redistribute wealth".

I expect demonstrators to use the simple connection of tea bag with teabaggers, but I don't expect my Congress man, let alone the President to act that way.

Being good at calling others names isn't a legacy fit for any President.

Look it up Bruce. It's in Obama's speeches. Of course, when Bush raised the debt ceiling, Senator Obama called it "a failure of leadership", etc.

When he continues to raise the debt ceiling, it's perfectly fine. When he can't get his way on any matter, he blames it on Republican leaders, the Tea Party, the House, ultra conservatives, hard line conservatives, etc. Everybody but him.

What's he doing? Running guns into Mexico - saying he had nothing to do with it, but claims executive privilege when data on the program is subpoenaed. Huh?

Our consulate in Benghazi is attacked with explosives, mortars, squad level machine guns, and fire bombs. He goes to bed, knowing that the military can't approve any rescue, without his direct approval.

Then he has his flunky Susan Rice on FOUR major news shows, telling how it was a video demonstration. That's not what the CIA reported to him.

Time after time, speech after speech, he has slurred the character of those who have money. He doesn't call them bastards or anything, but he slurs them, nonetheless, repeatedly. That justifies his efforts to steal from them, and give it to someone else.

He tells us on the Tonight Show, that the feds don't spy on us. A few days later, the next leak comes out, proving that yes, the Feds are spying on us, and they're spying on us both overseas (which we knew), but also inside the US., and on a massive scale never seen before.

Aren't you weary of all his lies? I sure am. I expected a lot better than this, out of Obama. I expect politicians to lie - it goes with the job, from time to time, but he's really carried it far beyond what I was hoping for.

[Stormieweather]

Originally Posted by Adak

Would that be BEFORE he called the Tea Party "Teabaggers" in a public speech, or AFTER?

I heard that in an audio file today, and I was quite shocked that the President of the United States, would make such an offensive remark as that, in a public speech. It's not like he doesn't have speech writers, and notes, etc.

If you can't stay civil, you don't belong in politics.

Do you feel it is hypocritical to hold the President to a higher standard than the rest of our political "leaders"? I mean, they're free to spew some of the most vile, hatred filled, violence inducing statements I've ever had the misfortune to experience, all while hiding behind Christianity, but the President is expected to not only accept such filth, but stay absolutely neutral and dispassionate??

Conservative Hostility Liberal Hostility

You'll note that I included both liberals and conservative examples in my links. Personally, I am appalled and disgusted that people have the disrespect to speak about our President (any President) the way they do. You may not like or agree with him, but he is still our leader and representative to the world. If you actually care, then vote. But show some fucking respect.

As for the government shut down, Congress needs to forfeit their paychecks while this occurs. They barely work as it is and they have a hell of a lot of nerve making people work for free or go without a paycheck while they sit on Capital Hill and drink. I hope the American people vote every single ignoramus who allowed this to happen out of office next year.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by Stormieweather

Do you feel it is hypocritical to hold the President to a higher standard than the rest of our political "leaders"?

No! He is the President! He needs to act accordingly, not like what you might expect from a Congressman, etc.

I mean, they're free to spew some of the most vile, hatred filled, violence inducing statements I've ever had the misfortune to experience, all while hiding behind Christianity, but the President is expected to not only accept such filth, but stay absolutely neutral and dispassionate??

Conservative Hostility Liberal Hostility

You'll note that I included both liberals and conservative examples in my links. Personally, I am appalled and disgusted that people have the disrespect to speak about our President (any President) the way they do. You may not like or agree with him, but he is still our leader and representative to the world. If you actually care, then vote. But show some fucking respect.

He had it. Then he lost it. Why? Because he's lied repeatedly, about damn near everything. He kept his word though about his intentions to make electric rates soar, and make even clean coal fired plants, too expensive to operate anymore.

And of course, to "redistribute wealth", which is the socialist agenda where they steal from the wealthy, and give it to someone else that they like more than you. They get a lot of voters that way, and can stay in power.

As for the government shut down, Congress needs to forfeit their paychecks while this occurs. They barely work as it is and they have a hell of a lot of nerve making people work for free or go without a paycheck while they sit on Capital Hill and drink. I hope the American people vote every single ignoramus who allowed this to happen out of office next year.

That won't happen. As our past years have shown, NOTHING is Obama's fault, and this will be no different. He can cut into our right to free speech, our right to carry firearms, our right to privacy, and anything else he can wants, almost. AND NOBODY IN THE MEDIA (hardly) reports on any of it, in a negative or critical way. He can lie like a rug, and it's just fine, fine. Surely you've noticed this?

The shutdown will all be blamed on the Tea Party/Republicans, and with all the expansion of the federal gov't, the Democrats are a shoe in for several elections, as long as they don't really screw up something. If you work for the gov't, you won't vote for a party that might stop that department you work in. It's a quite cushy, symbiotic relationship. Never mind that it's all coming out of the taxpayer's wallet - not the gov't.

Obama's latest speech has him saying "I won't negotiate under threat...".

Well, that's bullshit - because that's what politicians DO all the time. They negotiate - they compromise. THAT IS THEIR BUSINESS!! He's negotiated with the President of Iran, who supports terrorism around the globe - even tried to negotiate with the Taliban, recently. But he won't negotiate with his fellow Americans.

Because Obama knows he doesn't have to compromise this time, so he'll have NONE of it. Eventually, the Republicans will have to give up. At least, that's the ending I see.

What do you see? How will it end?

[Lamplighter]

Somehow there is a similarity between this toy
and Adak's mouse-like postings and the Cellar cats ...