Vaccination & epidemic

[lumberjim]

shut up, tw.

you ignore the numbers i posted. then you lie about my refusing to post them, go read back. i said it. zero deaths from measles in 1998. 60+ mmr vaccine related deaths. see below for current year info. only numbers that really mattered to me at the time. jenny mccarthy did not provide them either. your mom did.

anyway... here's some stuff I found today while bored at work:

cases (not deaths, were there any deaths??) of measles recorded in the US by year:

• In 2007 there were 43 cases reported nationwide
• In 2008 there were 140 cases
• In 2009 there were 71 cases
• In 2010 there were 63 cases
• In 2011 there were 217 cases
• In 2012 through Feb. 18, 2012 there were 13

check this out. it's a big chart so I took a screen shot and linked it.


I can't find YTD figures for deaths in the US from Measles Mumps or Rubella, but I did find that link above. I don't know if that's because no one in the US actually dies from any of those???

Am I reading that chart right though?

did 57 people DIE from the MMR vaccine this year?

and 696!!! from the DTP(diphtheria-tetanus-whole cell pertussis) vaccine? was there a bad batch?

what the hell?

[tw]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

shut up, tw.

"lumberjim you ignorant slut." Even your own numbers demonstrate the MMR vaccine is near zero risk. You did not do valid research (ignored perspective) to put infants (not just your own) at greater risk. Now your only provided numbers are from lawsuits. Which have less relationship to science.

As orthodoc and others demonstrate, a specific number is hard to isolate. Too many variables (some defined earlier) result in various numbers. However we do know this. lumberjim's mistake and repeated denials is a poster child of the problem. Risks of not doing the MMR vaccines are many times greater than any adverse reaction. Those numbers are not in dispute. We know fears of autism (like so many other fears that preceded it) are completely misplaced.

The post from 'John' further demonstrates junk science. The concept says, "Once we have eliminated all other possibilities, then what remains must be the truth." One small problem. That MMR decision did not and could not eliminate so many other possibilities. So its logic was obviously flawed. Only junk science reasoning can create that resulting conclusion.

So lumberjim remains angry. The emotional (1. due to motivated reasoning and 2. not seeing what is obviously junk science reasoning) fear to learn from mistakes.