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Old 02-14-2014, 04:08 PM   #1
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I doubt if the Catholic Church will ever recover what it has lost.
I think you're correct. The church is pretty much over except in Africa where its policies smell like radical islam.
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Old 02-14-2014, 08:36 PM   #2
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The church is pretty much over except in Africa where its policies smell like radical islam.
What do you mean by 'over'. Over as in dead? Or over doing a cover up and protection of people who promote hate?

Apparently the Vatican has recently released historical details of Pope Pius reign during WWII. It discusses support for Mussolini (for Vatican political reasons) followed by regret and inaction as Mussolini and Hitler became close friends.

Have similar historical facts been released by the Vatican for Pope John XXIII? Is that why (or if) details about Ottaviani recently become available?

Was any of this pedophilia problem part of so many leaks by Pope Benedict's butler?
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Old 02-26-2014, 10:42 PM   #3
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The questions remain unanswered when it should cause major news stories and discussion.
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I am amazed how nobody is commenting about widespread and condoned pedophilia by the Catholic Church in ...
An Italian prosecutor has, essentially, warned this Pope that he could be targeted for assasination ... if not something else. The widespread pedophilia all but openly protected by the Archdiocese of Philadelphia and essentially permitted by a Pennsylvania State Legislature for at least 10 years is only a tip of an iceberg. An institution so corrupt that it would have no problem electing Richard Nixon as a Saint.

Routine money laundering recently exposed when one top church official was caught trying to sneak 20 million Euros to what was probably secret accounts in Switzerland. May explain, in part, why US regulators empowered by a government not bought and paid for by the rich is heavily prosecuting or restricting six largest Swiss banks (see the latest stories about Credit Suisse) for money laundering.

Why did the Pope's Butler leak documents so detailed that even Wooodward and Bernstein could only wish they had seen similar during their investigations? And after he was caught and sentenced, how or why was this Butler released with all benefits (ie Pensions) restored?

Most of the Curia (those who actually run the church) are probably some of the world's greatest white collar criminals. Corruption is said to be in every leadership position. But a guerilla war may be ongoing. With dangers that may make tame Lukid's successuful calls for murder of their own Prime Minister. Insurgents apparently got the Pope's ear after he had previously thrown them out without listening. His Butler's leaks (see Vatileaks) and a mild public outcry apparently made Pope Benedict realize he is only a puppet of a powerful crime institution. Or he may have realized it was time to get out while looking innocent; leaving other to be accused.

Benedict previously appointed a top manager to the Vatican Bank. Corrupt Cardinals in the Curia literally fired him with contempt. The Pope was never told. He learned of it much later on Italian TV news. Corrupt leadership is that massive and that powerful.

No accident is that seven dioceses adjacent to Philadelphia ignored Catholic church sponsored pedophilia. Refused to prosecute or even investigate. No accident is that Pennsylvania lawmakers refused for ten years to create laws to permit prosecution of pedophile priests. Even refused to pass laws after government protection of Sandusky (by PA DA Corbett) was exposed. The church has that much power, in part, because so many are so brainwashed as to endorse religious beliefs rather than what is their obligations as humans. Catholics, like all humans, are responsible for being informed.

Frontline confirmed what The Economist and UN defined as high level corruption. But Frontline makes the extent of that corruption vast. It was no accident that a church bank official was found hanging by his neck dead from a London bridge. Nobody was prosecuted or even suspected for the crime. An institution now suspected so corrupt that virutally every major nation's banking system has put Church transactions under investigation.

Do not blame all. Otherwise you might encourage deaths by friendly fire. There exists a major insurgency. Meanwhile, every Catholic should be apologizing for being part of a world wide criminal organization that may be the world's largest crime family. Apologizing if not previously publically critical of a crime family headed by a father, son, and holy ghost (is that their hitman?).

Active sex parties may be routine especially in and around Vatican City. Frontline shows video from these parties. Only summarized is a small part what Fronltine presented:
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Old 02-28-2014, 12:29 AM   #4
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Maybe try this link:
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Old 04-20-2014, 11:54 AM   #5
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From CBS New of 20 April 2014:
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How much change can Pope Francis bring to the Catholic Church?

"The change in the image of the papacy and the Vatican throughout the world" in one year, ... "is nothing short of remarkable."

But a church riven by internal conflict and laboring under the shame of its priestly child-abuse scandal ... is still waiting to see what substantive changes this "Pope of the People" might bring.

"So the question comes up then: what's changed really?" asked Phillips.

"Nothing," Father Dodaro replied, "unless you think style is a lot more important than content -- and a lot of people do." ...

Still, Francis has raised expectations of change in at least one area -- the complex theological quagmire of the Church's response to Catholic couples who divorce and then re-marry. It is anticipated that they might be accepted back into the Church.

"That's the expectation, yes," said Father Dodaro.

Will it happen? "I don't know," he said. "Pope Francis wants this debate to take place. That's remarkable in itself."

... Radical reform of Church doctrine is not what they had in mind when they chose Francis.

Longtime writer on Church affairs Massimo Franco thinks the popular view of Francis as a potential reformer may be based on wishful thinking. ...

Already there is grumbling that Francis doesn't understand how the Church's powerful administrative structure -- the Roman Curia -- really works; that he doesn't value the Cardinals who run its various departments or appreciate the work they do. ...

"These cardinals who are working in the Roman Curia are seasoned Church bureaucrats," ... "So there's pushback, yes. Now, is that significant? I think not. You'd have to be naive to think you were going to come in and reform the Roman Curia and everyone was going to applaud you."
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