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Old 08-03-2014, 07:53 PM   #16
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If you would like a genuine discussion on this, that would be swell. Otherwise, fuck YOU very much.


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Actually, I'd enjoy a genuine discussion on the topic; but first, I owe you an apology, elSicomoro. I was out of line in my last post to you. I hope we can discuss things cordially in future. No more demands re education and no more 'fuck you very much'.
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Old 08-03-2014, 11:01 PM   #17
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Sometimes it's hard to remember a fact/truth is often temporary, the best you can do is stay informed of the latest consensus by the experts.
That's especially hard for students barraged with information/facts which their immediate future depends on knowing.
Something's true only until someone demonstrates it's not, rather something else is true.
Of course other people have to confirm it, but truths fall by the wayside all the time.
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Old 08-03-2014, 11:10 PM   #18
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I'd say that knowledge falls by the wayside, not truth. A few decades ago, a grad student told me (when I was frustrated) that science ALWAYS works, because it can't do otherwise. If our experiment doesn't 'work', look at all the details, because the universe always does what's 'true' or right. We just weren't looking at the right thing. Or we weren't asking the right question. But what happens is always right, even if we don't understand it.
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Old 08-04-2014, 01:18 AM   #19
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Yes, mother nature always gets it right, but few people are observers of science experiments beyond a rising cake or overloaded boat sinking, so you're talking semantics. Truth and fact are interchangeable for most people, they are even used to define each other..

truth
noun \ˈtrüth\
the truth : the real facts about something : the things that are true
: the quality or state of being true
: a statement or idea that is true or accepted as true

1 a archaic : fidelity, constancy
b : sincerity in action, character, and utterance
2 a (1) : the state of being the case : fact
(2) : the body of real things, events, and facts : actuality
(3) often capitalized : a transcendent fundamental or spiritual reality
b : a judgment, proposition, or idea that is true or accepted as true <truths of thermodynamics>
c : the body of true statements and propositions
3a : the property (as of a statement) of being in accord with fact or reality
b chiefly British : true 2
c : fidelity to an original or to a standard
4 capitalized Christian Science : god
— in truth : in accordance with fact : actually
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fact
noun \ˈfakt\
: something that truly exists or happens : something that has actual existence
: a true piece of information

Full Definition of FACT
1:a thing done: as
a obsolete : feat
b : crime <accessory after the fact>
c archaic : action
2 archaic : performance, doing
3: the quality of being actual : actuality <a question of fact hinges on evidence>
4 a : something that has actual existence <space exploration is now a fact>
b : an actual occurrence <prove the fact of damage>
5: a piece of information presented as having objective reality — in fact
: in truth
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Old 08-04-2014, 03:37 AM   #20
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Actually, I'd enjoy a genuine discussion on the topic; but first, I owe you an apology, elSicomoro. I was out of line in my last post to you. I hope we can discuss things cordially in future. No more demands re education and no more 'fuck you very much'.
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