Apparently, it is now illegal to sue Monsanto.

[tw]

From The Economist of 15 Sept 2015:

IN THE early 1970s Asia’s rice farmers faced ruin. The brown planthopper, an insect up till then found mostly in Japan, began to appear across the region. It fed on young plants and transmitted grassy stunt virus, causing crops to shrivel and brown. As it swept through Asia’s paddy fields, yields crashed. By the end of the decade it had caused damage costing over $300m—more than $1 billion in today’s money.

Scientists raced to find a solution. They screened over 6,000 samples of rice and its wild relatives until they found a unique sample from central India of a wild species called Oryza nivara that was resistant to the virus. By crossing it with domesticated rice strains, plant-breeders transferred the resistant genes into a new variety. Today, millions of farmers across Asia grow rice derived from such crosses.

Also called genetically modified. Today, most every food we eat is genetically modified.

Today's tools do same faster. But it is still doing same. Nothing but fear says GM foods are dangerous. Genetic modified foods were once called hybrids. That was not as emotionally fearful as the expression Genetic Modified. So people once did not fear technology.

We can also discuss Hilary's e-mails if conspiracy is the purpose of life.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by tw

We can also discuss Hilary's e-mails if conspiracy is the purpose of life.

The know ones that contained classified info which weren't protected or the ones she deleted?

[Griff]

Originally Posted by tw

Genetic modified foods were once called hybrids. That was not as emotionally fearful as the expression Genetic Modified. So people once did not fear technology.

Monsanto has spent a lot of money arguing otherwise in court so they can argue that they own the genes in the pollen in the air.

http://web.mit.edu/demoscience/Monsanto/impact.html

There is nothing inherently wrong with the tech. The problems with overuse of Roundup and the ownership issues where a giant multi-national reaps the benefit of ownership without the responsibility of same are real issues apparently not discussed in your no link. This conflict does include some anti-science folks but it also includes anyone with a concern about monopolistic practices.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Griff

There is nothing inherently wrong with the tech. The problems with overuse of Roundup and the ownership issues where a giant multi-national reaps the benefit of ownership without the responsibility of same are real issues apparently not discussed in your no link.

Use of pesticides is completely different from GM foods. Yes, glyphosate problems are noted due to overuse. Both in quantities (similar to fertilizer overuse) and in creating glyphosate resistance plants. If I remember, 25% of farms in America has identified glyphosate resistant plants.

Even Monstanto understood this long ago. Has been moving to new variations so that one need not continue using glyphosate. Those solutions are in development. That ongoing change is why Monstanto recently purchased another company (name forgotten) so as to diversify how we raise crops.

GM crops and excessive use or constant use of glyphosate are separate issues.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by tw

GM crops and excessive use or constant use of glyphosate are separate issues.

Roundup resistance was introduced through genetic modification.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Griff

Roundup resistance was introduced through genetic modification.

Plants (ie weeds), that have no genetic modification, have become resistant to glyphosate. That was found in farms that did not rotate their weed killers in three or less years. Unfortunately, those other killers require greater care and are not as effective as glyphosate.

This concern is not just found on farms. Homeowners should also take same care using Roundup. Some glyphosate resistance has also been reported in residential venues. Same reason - which has nothing to do with genetically modified crops.

Genetically modified crops did nothing to make other plants - especially weeds - glyphosate resistant. Some reports implied these weeds were so resistant as to require physical removal.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I wish the bees would develop a resistance.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by tw

Plants (ie weeds), that have no genetic modification, have become resistant to glyphosate. That was found in farms that did not rotate their weed killers in three or less years. Unfortunately, those other killers require greater care and are not as effective as glyphosate.

This concern is not just found on farms. Homeowners should also take same care using Roundup. Some glyphosate resistance has also been reported in residential venues. Same reason - which has nothing to do with genetically modified crops.

Genetically modified crops did nothing to make other plants - especially weeds - glyphosate resistant. Some reports implied these weeds were so resistant as to require physical removal.

Just keep in mind that agriculture's overuse was made possible by the genetic manipulation of Roundup Ready crops. Those crops were sprayed heavily forcing the weeds to evolve. Whether or not Monsanto encouraged misuse is an open question.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Griff

Whether or not Monsanto encouraged misuse is an open question.

Same question exists with fertilizer (ie potash) companies.