Lies, Damn Lies, and Scumbag Politicians

xoxoxoBruce · 12-17-2015, 09:52 PM

Snopes is checking what is being said, or people are saying that was said, mostly in emails. I didn't see any blue sky today, so is it right or wrong? The 130,000,000 decimal of Pi is a known quantity, easy to verify if someone is wrong. Why would they check, unless someone uses it to make a point, like a state legislature wanting to make Pi officially 3.0

More than they were used to store grain, that the are not solid but hollow to store grain because the Bible tells him so. That's crazy.

Then the public starts Googling to see if the statement the candidate asserts are true or not. In the middle of a speech, statements are usually to lay groundwork for, or as evidence of, another point. If the statement is untrue, it affects that whole point. Trump has so many checked because he's the king of outrageous statements.

Is anyone running for president not have a bunch of speech writers to craft the message and handlers to make sure it's delivered in the most favorable way? If so then off the cuff remarks are outside the plan and likely to reflect the candidates gut feelings which might be more revealing than all the speeches.

Griff · 12-18-2015, 06:53 AM

From the department of L,D L, and S P:
Interesting spin war but Hillary found a way to keep Bernie from accessing DNC voter information.

xoxoxoBruce · 12-18-2015, 11:56 AM

How?
Nevermind, found it. Wasn't Hillary, it was the DNC.

Griff · 12-18-2015, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Wasn't Hillary, it was the DNC.

Um... there's a difference? Not according to Jim Webb.

xoxoxoBruce · 12-18-2015, 10:52 PM

Jim Webb, one of Bernie's cheerleaders? That's your source?
The DNC bought the fucked up software from NGP VAN. Through that fucked up software one of Bernie's helpers found he could get into Hillary's files, and did. He was fired by Bernie's group. But the DNC cut Bernie's group's access rather than, or until, the software is fixed. What they're going to do isn't clear. If the DNC was playing fair they'd cut everyone off and fix the software. But I don't see how this is Hillary's group's fault. I'm sure the DNC would rather have Hillary than Bernie since he's not one of them, he's an independent. But that doesn't make the DNC a tool of Hillary.

classicman · 12-19-2015, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Snopes is checking what is being said

They don't check everything - that's the point - They CHOOSE to check some far more critically than others. Also, when they cannot disprove something said by one of "their candidates", they use lots of words and then claim its unverifiable or grey or some other bullshit. They all do it. Again, no more credible than Fox nor MSDNC.

xoxoxoBruce · 12-19-2015, 04:06 PM

They check what they are asked to check in their forum. If they find it unverifiable, all those words they use are saying why.

Griff · 12-20-2015, 12:06 PM

NGP VAN is a Clinton connected operation.

I started going through the wiki revisions to see what's been dropped.
from 12/19/15
NGP VAN was created in November 2010 by the merger of its two predecessor companies, NGP Software, founded in 1997 by Nathaniel Pearlman, who later served as chief technology officer for Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign,[6] in his attic in Washington, D.C, and Voter Activation Network, founded in 2001 by Mark Sullivan, in his study in Cambridge, Massachusetts.[7]

They left this in.
Its current president and CEO, Stuart Trevelyan, was a veteran of the 1992 Clinton-Gore War Room, providing research, analysis, and whip counts to the Clinton Administration as a member of the White House Office of Legislative Affairs.[5]

Current DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz was co-chair of Hillary's 2008 campaign.

It is good to remember that the parties are private organizations which have gained control of the public elections. These Democrats make the GOP look weirdly democratic.

xoxoxoBruce · 12-20-2015, 09:13 PM

That's pretty convincing, but you certainly had to go looking to find it. I just couldn't damn her(this time) with the information in the papers, and assume anyone on Bernie's team would blame Hillary if it rained... and vice versa. However there are damn few democrats in Washington who are not connected to the Clintons in some way, and many who are beholdin'.

Griff · 12-21-2015, 06:29 AM

Bernie's team were not innocent babes in the woods on this but the DNC has been working hard to tamp down non-Hillary Democrats. There are still a lot of registered Dems who think Hillary is inevitable. Keeping them blinkered, I think is her strategy but Bernie had a huge fund-raising day when this latest spat developed so it may not hold up.

xoxoxoBruce · 04-12-2016, 09:05 AM

Speaking of damn lies and scumbags...

12-17-2015, 09:52 PM	#1
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Snopes is checking what is being said, or people are saying that was said, mostly in emails. I didn't see any blue sky today, so is it right or wrong? The 130,000,000 decimal of Pi is a known quantity, easy to verify if someone is wrong. Why would they check, unless someone uses it to make a point, like a state legislature wanting to make Pi officially 3.0 More than they were used to store grain, that the are not solid but hollow to store grain because the Bible tells him so. That's crazy. Then the public starts Googling to see if the statement the candidate asserts are true or not. In the middle of a speech, statements are usually to lay groundwork for, or as evidence of, another point. If the statement is untrue, it affects that whole point. Trump has so many checked because he's the king of outrageous statements. Is anyone running for president not have a bunch of speech writers to craft the message and handlers to make sure it's delivered in the most favorable way? If so then off the cuff remarks are outside the plan and likely to reflect the candidates gut feelings which might be more revealing than all the speeches. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-18-2015, 06:53 AM	#2
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	From the department of L,D L, and S P: Interesting spin war but Hillary found a way to keep Bernie from accessing DNC voter information. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

12-18-2015, 11:56 AM	#3
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	How? Nevermind, found it. Wasn't Hillary, it was the DNC. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-18-2015, 10:52 PM	#5
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Jim Webb, one of Bernie's cheerleaders? That's your source? The DNC bought the fucked up software from NGP VAN. Through that fucked up software one of Bernie's helpers found he could get into Hillary's files, and did. He was fired by Bernie's group. But the DNC cut Bernie's group's access rather than, or until, the software is fixed. What they're going to do isn't clear. If the DNC was playing fair they'd cut everyone off and fix the software. But I don't see how this is Hillary's group's fault. I'm sure the DNC would rather have Hillary than Bernie since he's not one of them, he's an independent. But that doesn't make the DNC a tool of Hillary. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-19-2015, 04:06 PM	#7
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	They check what they are asked to check in their forum. If they find it unverifiable, all those words they use are saying why. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-20-2015, 12:06 PM	#8
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	NGP VAN is a Clinton connected operation. I started going through the wiki revisions to see what's been dropped. from 12/19/15 NGP VAN was created in November 2010 by the merger of its two predecessor companies, NGP Software, founded in 1997 by Nathaniel Pearlman, who later served as chief technology officer for Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign,[6] in his attic in Washington, D.C, and Voter Activation Network, founded in 2001 by Mark Sullivan, in his study in Cambridge, Massachusetts.[7] They left this in. Its current president and CEO, Stuart Trevelyan, was a veteran of the 1992 Clinton-Gore War Room, providing research, analysis, and whip counts to the Clinton Administration as a member of the White House Office of Legislative Affairs.[5] Current DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz was co-chair of Hillary's 2008 campaign. It is good to remember that the parties are private organizations which have gained control of the public elections. These Democrats make the GOP look weirdly democratic. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

12-20-2015, 09:13 PM	#9
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	That's pretty convincing, but you certainly had to go looking to find it. I just couldn't damn her(this time) with the information in the papers, and assume anyone on Bernie's team would blame Hillary if it rained... and vice versa. However there are damn few democrats in Washington who are not connected to the Clintons in some way, and many who are beholdin'. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-21-2015, 06:29 AM	#10
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Bernie's team were not innocent babes in the woods on this but the DNC has been working hard to tamp down non-Hillary Democrats. There are still a lot of registered Dems who think Hillary is inevitable. Keeping them blinkered, I think is her strategy but Bernie had a huge fund-raising day when this latest spat developed so it may not hold up. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

04-12-2016, 09:05 AM	#11
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Speaking of damn lies and scumbags... Attached Images __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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