President Donald John Trump

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Griff

I'm kind of a fatalist on this progression of the surveillance state; W reacted, Obama made it permanent, and Trump maybe pays the price... feel safer?

I'm pretty sure that tapping the Russians predates W by a few decades. I'm with you on the general theme, but in this particular instance, that call would have been tapped just as certainly in the '50s or '70s as it was in the '10s.

[xoxoxoBruce]

And there have been traitors on both sides since the Rosenbergs.

[tw]

Start by eliminating some fictional emotions. ISIS is a mythical threat similar to Saddam. Timothy McVeigh types remain, by far, a greater threat. Fear only exists because wackos promote it.

We support allies who are at risk due to ISIS. Support does not constitute and should not be considered war. It is their threat and their war. And only they can solve it by first acting in an informed and unified manner - a statement directing attention to Turkey and Israel.

Second, we have no idea what Flynn and Putin discussed. Those details are essential long before making any conclusions. And those details should be considered by Justice to make appropriate decisions.

Ironically, Trump fired Flynn for lying. Then blames the press for his 'resignation' rather than admit his administration said, "Your fired." How many apprentices were also forced to resign by the press?

Third, a whole third issue exists with cozy and constant communication between Russian spies and top Trump officials. That third issue also required extensive vetting in part because we know lying in the Trump administration (for advancing Trump; not America) is situation normal.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by tw

Start by eliminating some fictional emotions.

It's alternative logic. Your vernacular is out of date.