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[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Because they prefer an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle.

Cops are not routinely patroling with AR-15s. Which cop has that weapon? Snipers and SWAP. Armed with assault weapons only when an excessively armed wacko is hunting humans.

Heavy weapon of choice in most situations: shotgun. AR-15 used when cops might go on offense (like a soldier) against a heavily armed and emotional adult. Even a stun gun is a more useful weapon.

All cops are trained in assault weapons. Assault rifle is an offensive weapon. And not used by cops for patrolling. We need all cops trained in AR-15 due to a violent world desired by the NRA - to increase industry profits.

[xoxoxoBruce]

You're out of touch, tw. Police departments all over the country are making up budget shortfalls by taking Homeland Security money to train in counter-terrorist tactics, and equipping cops with AR-15's and body armor. They're not swat teams, regular cops. They don't walk around with that gear but it's in the trunk of the cruiser.

Portland.,Washington, DC , San Diego, to name a few.

[sexobon]

Here's a decently written article that gives insight into the confusion: http://m.jacksonville.com/news/metro...g-wont-go-away

[IamSam]

Originally Posted by sexobon

Here's a decently written article that gives insight into the confusion: http://m.jacksonville.com/news/metro...g-wont-go-away

I see why tonchi likes you.

From your excellent link:

There was a gun found in Lanza’s car, but it was a shotgun. The primary weapon used in the Dec. 14 attack, said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance, “was a Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon.”

My hypothesis that if "Adak posts it, there's something wrong with it," continues to hold true.

[tw]

Originally Posted by sexobon

You are entitled to your own opinions; but, not to your own facts. .

Nice if you replied just once with facts. Your experience is both useless and irrelevant to this discussion. Somehow you are an expert because you fired some big guns? Somehow we should know an AR-15 Bushmaster was not used in Sandy Hook because you said so? You know because you fired big guns? Apparently the thrill of firing a big gun proves superior knowledge.

Then explain why assault weapons are necessary for personal defense. You made that claim without justification. And then posted nasty to avoid hard fact with numbers. An adult need not prove claims with disparaging replies. But you deflect reality by doing what Limbaugh, an extremist, or a child would do. Attack the messenger using accusations such as "gibberish".

Assault weapons are for personal defense when one is told so by propaganda. If an extremist, then reality must be 'gibberish'. It must be true. You said it.

Firing big guns proves assault weapons are necessary for personal defense? CDC research says otherwise: ie "43 times". Which is a fact and which is an emotion?

No civilian needs assault weapons for defense. Even beat cops (who drive squad cars, walk shopping malls, ride bicycles, etc) don't carry assault weapons for defense. But somehow, you know otherwise? Feeling it is true proves it must be true? Making denigrating accusation means reality can be ignored? I am so hurt to discover everyone in the Cellar hates me. More empty accusations invented to elude reality. And to deny facts.

A child will belittle rather than prove empty claims "Assault weapons are needed for personal defense?" You made the claim. Prove it as an adult would. As an adult, I am holding your feet to the fire. Prove you claims with facts - not personal attacks.

Adults who were still children also *knew* that smoking cigarettes increased health. Propaganda said so. So it must be true. When we discussed that reality, you directed cruel remarks at me. As if being nasty proved something other than how you think. Maybe this time you could address the topic? I doubt it. So prove me wrong.

Why does the NRA need 'gun violence' research banned? Why do you know a gun is not 43 times more likely to be used on a family member? If facts are posted multiple times, then will you address facts rather than post spiteful like a child? History says you will either post angry. Or run away. For one simple reason. It was always a myth. Assault rifles, big clips, and 155 mm howitzers are not for personal safety.

[IamSam]

Originally Posted by tw

Somehow we should know an AR-15 Bushmaster was not used in Sandy Hook because you said so?

Hold on, big guy. Sexobon said no such thing. In fact, he provided a link stating the opposite:

Here's a decently written article that gives insight into the confusion: http://m.jacksonville.com/news/metro...g-wont-go-away

*bows out of war between tw and the Sexter*

Fanatical gun owners on the right want to be able to defend themselves against the guberment as much as anything else. They forget that GW Bush already made the 2nd Amendment and most of our other rights under the Constitution null and void under the Patriot Act:

Homeland Security - Domestic terrorism - Your guns, please.

[sexobon]

Tw,

With all due respect due another dwellar,

Gibberish, all you've done is what you always do, you take what someone says and extrapolate it to ridiculous proportions which they never said, implied; or meant in a lame effort to discredit them. To hear you tell it, anyone who disagrees with you can't possibly be their own person with their own ideas and are nothing more than someone else's puppet or child. As the song goes:

"When I'm watchin' my TV
And a man comes on and tells me
How white my shirts can be
But he can't be a man 'cause he doesn't smoke
The same cigarettes as me"

This is how you relate to others. These are basic propagandist techniques, bad advertising methods passed down from father to son, which you have come to live by.

I'm experienced with firearms from .22 cal. revolvers to 50 cal. machine guns including M60s, M16s, AK47s, sniper systems, suppressed (a.k.a. silenced) 9mm submachine guns (e.g. HK MP5 SD3); also, pistols and revolvers with various actions in a wide range of calibers. It's been a part of my job as an American Special Forces soldier. I've fired more than 47 rpm from a single semiautomatic pistol with magazine changes. Yet you say " F) 47 rounds every minute do not happen when the clip must be repeatedly replaced." Speak for your unaccomplished self.

You are entitled to your own opinions; but, not to your own facts. Regarding hollow point [you say "(also called cop killers)"] bullets, even the police (local to federal) use them. They use them because they are believed to be more effective than other designs. Civilians use them for the same reason. Your application of the tern "cop killers" to hollow points is quintessential leftwing deceptive propaganda. Actual "cop killer bullets" are those coated with Teflon or nylon, hard core (not hollow point) so as to pierce bullet proof vests that police often wear. Only ignorant lay people with whacko extremist agendas equate the two.

Your obvious incompetence with even the simplest of premises in this discussion indicates a below average IQ and/or a paranoid delusional state of mind. All of your presented "facts" are likewise skewed and not worth addressing. You present as a subversive seeking to disarm Americans. Get your act together son.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by sexobon

Here's a decently written article that gives insight into the confusion: http://m.jacksonville.com/news/metro...g-wont-go-away

Originally Posted by tw

... Somehow we should know an AR-15 Bushmaster was not used in Sandy Hook because you said so? ...

Originally Posted by IamSam

Hold on, big guy. Sexobon said no such thing. In fact, he provided a link stating the opposite: ...

Thanks Sam, for setting the record straight. Misinformation is a tw hallmark. I don't hold it against him; because, I know he's really more interested in argument just for the sake of argument than he is in debate. That's why tw does not fact check himself before engaging me and why few others care to engage him. He's not the only one here like that. I've made it no secret that I'm here for the entertainment and I get much entertainment from tw; but, he gets little argument from me ... just scrutinized. Being on the short end of the stick is his destiny.

TW, YOU ARE YOUR FATHER!

[tw]

When caught and exposed lying, then an extremist does what Limbaugh teaches. Attack the messenger. Post more cheapshots and insults. Do so repeatedly.

Originally Posted by sexobon

Gibberish, all you've done is what you always do, you take what someone says and extrapolate it to ridiculous proportions which they never said, implied; or meant in a lame effort to discredit them.

If true, then demonstrate adult behavior by answering simple and relevant questions. I keep asking you to act like an adult. Do you know that adults who are still children post cheapshots?

An honest adult (a moderate) answers questions. Extremist ideology provided no answers. So you invent bogus accusations:

Originally Posted by sexobon

Misinformation is a tw hallmark. I don't hold it against him; because, I know he's really more interested in argument just for the sake of argument than he is in debate. That's why tw does not fact check himself before engaging me and why few others care to engage him.

If true, then you have already answered those simple and damning questions. Posting cheapshots will not make those damning questions go away. Assault weapons for personal safety was obviously a lie. You proved that by repeatedly avoiding the question. And by posting cheapshots.

Originally Posted by tw

Why does the NRA need 'gun violence' research banned? Why do you know a gun is not 43 times more likely to be used on a family member? If facts are posted multiple times, then will you address facts rather than post spiteful like a child? History says you will either post angry. Or run away.

He refuses to answer even one question. Because an answer requires logic. The ability to reason rather than parrot a reply. Answers are not found in extremist propaganda. A child caught lying will belittle with insults. It does not change those damning and relevant questions.

Why does the NRA need 'gun violence' research banned? Why do you know a gun is not 43 times more likely to be used on a family member? Why do cops not even use assault weapons for personal defense? Not that I expect an answer. Those educated by propaganda cannot answer questions that the propaganda machine must avoid. And so Sexobon will reply with more denigrating replies.

His unsupported claim was, "Assault weapons are needed for personal defense." It was an obvious lie. As proven by cheapshots posted to avoid answering damning questions.

[sexobon]

Your second world ethics simply limit your value to me as being for entertainment use only.

[tw]

Originally Posted by sexobon

Your second world ethics simply limit your value to me as being for entertainment use only.

Again, bandwidth wasted on silly emotions. Silly because it protects wacko extremist rhetoric parroted by Tea Party and Rush Limbaugh beliefs. A moderate (a patriot) would have no problem answering these simple questions.

Why does the NRA need 'gun violence' research banned? Why do you know a gun is not 43 times more likely to be used on a family member? Why do cops not even use assault weapons for personal defense?

Sexobon has two choices. Twist and spin to avoid questions that expose extremist rhetoric. Or answer questions as an honest moderate. Assault weapons are for hunting humans. Extremist rhetoric advocates more Sandy Hooks.

Assault weapons have one purpose. To hunt humans.

[sexobon]

I heard a mouse squeak.

[IamSam]

Mice and assault weapons aside, I'd like to know if members of Congress will still get their pay, along with their other perks like great health care, etc. if the sequester does go through on March first. Does anyone know?

[ZenGum]

I recently read that the average net worth of congresspeeps is over ten million. They'll scrape by on second rate caviar, I guess.

[Happy Monkey]

It's actually unconstitutional to change the pay of Congress during a term.