The utterly pointless Clint Eastwood Thread

[lumberjim]

yo. don;t misquote me, blasphemy boy.

[mrnoodle]

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[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by mrnoodle

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har. is that a pair o balls? the article in question

Originally Posted by Chuck Norris

Alleged Chuck Norris Fact: "There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live." It's funny. It's cute. But here's what I really think about the theory of evolution: It's not real. It is not the way we got here. In fact, the life you see on this planet is really just a list of creatures God has allowed to live. We are not creations of random chance. We are not accidents. There is a God, a Creator, who made you and me. We were made in His image, which separates us from all other creatures.
By the way, without him, I don't have any power. But with Him, the Bible tells me, I really can do all things – and so can you.
Alleged Chuck Norris Fact: "Chuck Norris' tears can cure cancer. Too bad he never cries. Ever."
There was a man whose tears could cure cancer or any other disease, including the real cause of all diseases – sin. His blood did. His name was Jesus, not Chuck Norris.
If your soul needs healing, the prescription you need is not Chuck Norris' tears, it's Jesus' blood.
Again, I'm flattered and amazed by the way I've become a fascinating public figure for a whole new generation of young people around the world. But I am not the characters I play. And even the toughest characters I have played could never measure up to the real power in this universe.

do i really have to explain what bothers me about this? it is NOT that he is christian. you could substitute Vishnu or Mohammed, or Buddha, or the FSM. it's religion. zealotry. he sounds like one of those fucking pamphlets.

If your soul needs healing, the prescription you need is not Chuck Norris' tears, it's Jesus' blood.

cmon!

[mrnoodle]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

do i really have to explain what bothers me about this? it is NOT that he is christian. you could substitute Vishnu or Mohammed, or Buddha, or the FSM. it's religion. zealotry. he sounds like one of those fucking pamphlets.

You don't have to explain at all, I had it right in the first place. You think it's okay for him to be a Christian as long as he's not passionate about it. He should stay in the closet, where the rest of us don't have to hear about his little sickness. Someone who's life has been changed completely, i.e., they have been reborn, is often vocal about the experience. They're not ashamed, they're not going to water down their opinion because they're afraid people will call them stupid. All of that doesn't matter anymore. You could call Chuck Norris a stupid cunt to his face, and he would only feel mild pity. He'd probably pray for you that night, asking Christ to take some of your hate away and give you the peace that he has. Would he be barking up the wrong tree? I don't think so -- after all, all it took to set you off was Chuck Norris' worship of a power higher than him.

You think he's weak because he's on his knees before God? I imagine he could say amen twice and still have a boot to the side of your head before you had a chance to get the smirk completely off your face. But he doesn't think in those terms anymore. And you call him a cunt because of it.

[dar512]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

do i really have to explain what bothers me about this?

I shrugged it off as a bit over-the-top. I'm guessing, given Norris' shtick, that over-the-top is probably to be expected. I can't help but wonder why it had such an effect on you.

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by dar512

I shrugged it off as a bit over-the-top. I'm guessing, given Norris' shtick, that over-the-top is probably to be expected. I can't help but wonder why it had such an effect on you.

well, i think you;re going a little far afield to say that it effected me, really. But, to be honest, when someone spouts religion like that ( and i mean to that level of saturation, noodle, not that religion) i lose gobs of respect for them. Yes this does include you, mrnoodle.

I really wish I had the time to rant about this with you. I have a theory that involves the surrender of personal morality that I will try to detail for you tonight after work. Credit Counseling for the soul.

[dar512]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

But, to be honest, when someone spouts religion like that ( and i mean to that level of saturation, noodle, not that religion) i lose gobs of respect for them.

Your prerogative, certainly. But I think it's unreasonable in this case. That site is a conservative Christian site. He's there to talk about Christianity and it's effect on him. If you can't spout religion on a religious site, where can you spout it?

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by dar512

Your prerogative, certainly. But I think it's unreasonable in this case. That site is a conservative Christian site. He's there to talk about Christianity and it's effect on him. If you can't spout religion on a religious site, where can you spout it?

well, how the hell was i supposed to know it was on a christian conservative website! now i feel like a tool for calling mr norris a cunt.






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[mrnoodle]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

well, i think you;re going a little far afield to say that it effected me, really. But, to be honest, when someone spouts religion like that ( and i mean to that level of saturation, noodle, not that religion) i lose gobs of respect for them. Yes this does include you, mrnoodle.

I really wish I had the time to rant about this with you. I have a theory that involves the surrender of personal morality that I will try to detail for you tonight after work. Credit Counseling for the soul.

The point that you're missing is that becoming a follower of Christ isn't like picking up a new hobby or rooting for a football team. It becomes an integral part of your life. You call it "spouting religion", but that's taking a very short view of an all-encompassing life choice. The fact is, it means surrendering your personal morality for the morality of Christ (something I continually fail at, but strive for). You say it's a bad thing, I say it's a good thing. I look forward to your theory, nonetheless.

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by mrnoodle

The point that you're missing is that becoming a follower of Christ isn't like picking up a new hobby or rooting for a football team. It becomes an integral part of your life. You call it "spouting religion", but that's taking a very short view of an all-encompassing life choice. The fact is, it means surrendering your personal morality for the morality of Christ (something I continually fail at, but strive for). You say it's a bad thing, I say it's a good thing. I look forward to your theory, nonetheless.

If it were, in FACT, an all encompassing, life changing life choice, you'd do it right. you wouldn't continually fail at it. You're content with striving. it's all that is required by your religion, right? that and believing that you'll be forgiven if you fail, right?

in fact, there seems to be an unstated expectation for you to fail to follow your rules. the assumption that you are inherently flawed. original sin. after all, jesus wouldn;t have been very useful if there was nothing to forgive, or sins to die for, right?

So, it makes me think that most people that have 'faith' are willing to surrender their responsibility for holding themselves to their own morals. Why do you need a church to cajole you? why an idol to feel inferior to?

if that helps you, great. really. but the attitude of superiority that so often goes hand in hand with it is insufferable to me. I have my own values that are probably different from yours. the difference is that because they are personally mine, i have no expectation that you should adhere to them.

religions require that you fall in line with predetermined sets of morals and cause you to feel like you;ve failed if you do it wrong. I have said before that i'm a pickandchoosist. this is why. It's not that i'm an immoral person, and think that religions are wrong. I just think that organized religion is mainly about exerting power over it's followers. And the followers sanction the influence by feeling guilt at their failure to conform to the mold of the perfect follower. i just think your religious philosophy should be a personal and private matter.

[Happy Monkey]

Kirk Cameron and Jack Chick are also on religious sites...

That said, Chuck Norris' stuff was reasonably clever, for that style of writing.

[Trilby]

you know, I've heard that Christ hung around prostitutes and tax collectors. A revolutionary guy. I've never heard a story about him asking pro's to dress modestly (I believe our homophobic and misogynist pal Paul advocated for that)--but I have heard that he urged them to 'sin no more'----Hm. Probably more effective than, "You dress like a slut and therefore! Commence the Raping!"

Just a thought.

[Elspode]

My favorite T-Shirt these days?

"Jesus, save me from your followers."

Jesus had it right. But, as with most great things, someone else took it, mangled it, and screwed it up for everybody. Throw a little zealotry in for flavoring and, voila'! Sinners soup!

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by Elspode

Sinners soup!

Ooooo, you clever boy! I'm using that one!

[dar512]

Originally Posted by Elspode

My favorite T-Shirt these days?

"Jesus, save me from your followers."

Jesus had it right. But, as with most great things, someone else took it, mangled it, and screwed it up for everybody. Throw a little zealotry in for flavoring and, voila'! Sinners soup!

Change it to "Jesus save me from some of your followers", and I'd wear it too.

However, I'm thinking it must be where you live, Els. I've run into very few of the "I'm saved and you're not" folks in my life.