Which is more evil? - Page 2

lookout123 · 12-09-2005, 04:05 AM

cannon fodder? well, i guess i've signed up to be cannon fodder for the last 13 years(although January 12th will bring the end of my military career). i don't think i'm the most stupid individual on the planet.

i do believe that burning that flag is a constitutionally protected right that i'm willing to give my life for. even if the people who do it are, IMO, ignorant and generally just piss me off.

i believe that the idiots who want an amendment banning flag burning are just that - idiots. most of them don't get why some of us who have been willing to put on a uniform and hold a position are ok with the constitution the way it is.

i believe that the idiots that want to pass a law against flag burning, don't truly believe in the cause, and are only doing it to position themselves for the next election cycle and are double damned.

i don't care what the hell you stand for, just truly stand for it and i'll support your right to do that. if you are just vocalizing certain "beliefs" to get votes... well, i'd like to shoot you for it.

yep, i've been absent from the cellar, but little has changed in my thought process.

Griff · 12-09-2005, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

yep, i've been absent from the cellar, but little has changed in my thought process.

It is nice to be able count on some things.

tw · 12-10-2005, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

cannon fodder? well, i guess i've signed up to be cannon fodder for the last 13 years(although January 12th will bring the end of my military career). i don't think i'm the most stupid individual on the planet.

The smart soldier is not cannon fodder. Flags are but one tool so that cannon fodder can be directed into their hell. As Patton said, the other soldier should die for his country. Unfortunately, every nation at some time needs some cannon fodder. Flags are but one tool to recruit and direct those types into a frontal assault.

The smart soldier also knows the difference between a flag and a country.

SmurfAbuser · 12-11-2005, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by marichiko

I think that all flags wrapped around politicians should be burned!

I like that idea!

Dangerous subject either way. Burning the flag is inherently obscene to me, but I still think people should have the right to do so if it makes 'em happy. Tough call.

xoxoxoBruce · 12-12-2005, 10:06 PM

This site explains why an amendment or law against flag burning will not work. Can't be enforced. Is a huge warm and fuzzy joke.

Happy Monkey · 12-09-2005, 08:00 PM

The only poeple who will get mad over flag burning are histrionic politicians. Few will go to the polls over it.

12-09-2005, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

The only poeple who will get mad over flag burning are histrionic politicians. Few will go to the polls over it.

Eh, back in the late 60's the "love it or leave it" crowd might have. I don't see it as being one of today's burning issues, though (so to speak

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xoxoxoBruce · 12-09-2005, 09:29 PM

We've been through why such a law or amendment won't work before. But just taking the burn part, burning is the proscribed way to dispose of a flag.
So in order to prosecute, intent has to be proven....like hate crimes. That's a very slippery slope.

capnhowdy · 12-18-2005, 02:57 PM

Other than a quick-fix for some rebellious attention whore, what could possibly be gratifying about burning a flag, anyway?

I say let the people who feel compelled to burn flags go ahead, spend their life savings on flags and burn as many as they can afford.

Just leave mine alone.

After the flag is burned, there is no way to tell what it represented anyway. It is not the flag that makes a country strong, but the people who fly them.

Beestie · 12-18-2005, 07:30 PM

There is nothing whatsoever wrong about burning a flag.

Interesting that many of those who oppose burning the flag have no problem suspending the provisions of the Constitution because they are too lazy/stupid/wrong to go through the Constitutional provisions to fight the "war on terror."

In other words, If *I* violate the Constitution its "for your your own good" so its ok but if you torch a symbol of the Constitution without actually violating any of its provisions then its off to pound-you-in-the-ass prison for you.

Spexxvet · 12-20-2005, 01:40 PM

Imagine the consternation of the right wing when the "activist judges" on the Supreme Court rule the law unconstitutional.

12-20-2005, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Imagine the consternation of the right wing when the "activist judges" on the Supreme Court rule the law unconstitutional.

Imagine your consternation as your toilet seat slaps you on the back of your neck as you're getting a drink.

Rock Steady · 12-26-2005, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by HUMBUG

Imagine your consternation as your toilet seat slaps you on the back of your neck as you're getting a drink.

Thank goodness you don't post much. Your content-free reply to a clever post was very revealing.

capnhowdy · 12-20-2005, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Imagine the consternation of the right wing when the "activist judges" on the Supreme Court rule the law unconstitutional.

And it could very well happen, laying all jokes aside. Nothing surprises me anymore.

xoxoxoBruce · 12-20-2005, 07:23 PM

They would then make it a campaign donation rallying point.

12-12-2005, 10:06 PM	#5
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	This site explains why an amendment or law against flag burning will not work. Can't be enforced. Is a huge warm and fuzzy joke. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-09-2005, 08:00 PM	#6
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	The only poeple who will get mad over flag burning are histrionic politicians. Few will go to the polls over it. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

12-09-2005, 09:29 PM	#8
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	We've been through why such a law or amendment won't work before. But just taking the burn part, burning is the proscribed way to dispose of a flag. So in order to prosecute, intent has to be proven....like hate crimes. That's a very slippery slope. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-18-2005, 02:57 PM	#9
capnhowdy Blatantly Homosapien Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,200	Other than a quick-fix for some rebellious attention whore, what could possibly be gratifying about burning a flag, anyway? I say let the people who feel compelled to burn flags go ahead, spend their life savings on flags and burn as many as they can afford. Just leave mine alone. After the flag is burned, there is no way to tell what it represented anyway. It is not the flag that makes a country strong, but the people who fly them. __________________ Please type slowly. I can't read very fast............... and no holy water, please.

12-18-2005, 07:30 PM	#10
Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	There is nothing whatsoever wrong about burning a flag. Interesting that many of those who oppose burning the flag have no problem suspending the provisions of the Constitution because they are too lazy/stupid/wrong to go through the Constitutional provisions to fight the "war on terror." In other words, If I violate the Constitution its "for your your own good" so its ok but if you torch a symbol of the Constitution without actually violating any of its provisions then its off to pound-you-in-the-ass prison for you. __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

12-09-2005, 04:05 AM	#1
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	cannon fodder? well, i guess i've signed up to be cannon fodder for the last 13 years(although January 12th will bring the end of my military career). i don't think i'm the most stupid individual on the planet. i do believe that burning that flag is a constitutionally protected right that i'm willing to give my life for. even if the people who do it are, IMO, ignorant and generally just piss me off. i believe that the idiots who want an amendment banning flag burning are just that - idiots. most of them don't get why some of us who have been willing to put on a uniform and hold a position are ok with the constitution the way it is. i believe that the idiots that want to pass a law against flag burning, don't truly believe in the cause, and are only doing it to position themselves for the next election cycle and are double damned. i don't care what the hell you stand for, just truly stand for it and i'll support your right to do that. if you are just vocalizing certain "beliefs" to get votes... well, i'd like to shoot you for it. yep, i've been absent from the cellar, but little has changed in my thought process.

12-20-2005, 01:40 PM	#11
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	Imagine the consternation of the right wing when the "activist judges" on the Supreme Court rule the law unconstitutional. __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

12-20-2005, 07:23 PM	#15
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	They would then make it a campaign donation rallying point. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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