Politics ad absurdam

[Urbane Guerrilla]

As a libertarian, I am as you can readily see an antisocialist.

That is the understatement of the century.

Which is NOT a help to getting me to see why you think any way, let alone your way -- was there ever anything there at all to see? C'mon, Bruce, you're supposed to be a smart guy, right? Make it clear. Elucidate: I'd like to see why you're so unhappy at the prospect of a great American/human success, in despite of anything the anti-American opposition could come up with (seems all they can do is kill people and burn up stuff), that you oppose it so determinedly.

[xoxoxoBruce]

What makes you think I'm trying to win you over, to change your mind?
I learned long ago it not only wastes my time, it annoys the pig^^^ duck.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

As a libertarian, I am as you can readily see an antisocialist.

This would be fine if you didn't limit yourself to only looking to the left for threats to your freedom.

What do you call someone who only looks one way before crossing the street? Roadkill.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Heh -- and yet still you type.

Well, so do I. Heh twice.

What I'm learning is that we type less in hope of persuasion than of staking our respective positions out. You could call it advertising.

Meanwhile, elucidate. If you actually have a good idea here, I'd be pleased to accept it; that's what I do, whatever appearances may say. If you don't have a good idea... well, we can predict how that will come out.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Heh -- and yet still you type.

Well, so do I. Heh twice.

What I'm learning is that we type less in hope of persuasion than of staking our respective positions out. You could call it advertising.

Meanwhile, elucidate. If you actually have a good idea here, I'd be pleased to accept it; that's what I do, whatever appearances may say. If you don't have a good idea... well, we can predict how that will come out.

What the fuck are you babbling about? Idea about what?

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

What the fuck are you babbling about? Idea about what?

Pay attention, Bruce, and engage forebrain before operating fingers.

Try rereading this thread and I think you just may garner a clue what I'm "babbling" about. Right now the gibbering you're doing tells me you're not using all three digits of your IQ. Is it truly your goal in life that I regard you as an idiot, revising my opinion of your brainpower... downward?? Sounds preposterous.

Anyway, two things are clear. First, I have a certain political perspective and certain ideas of what should be done, both of which I've spoken on. Second, you think these ideas are just awful, the political perspective astigmatic.

What is far less than clear is just why Bruce should hold any such idea or objection to mine. There seems no visible basis for Bruce's supposition.

[xoxoxoBruce]

God damn, you sounded just like tw. Same style, claim superiority and attack me instead of a straight answer. Pathetic.

Why don't Europeans just make it illegal to speak from the Koran, wear a turban, or anything that "seems" like it is "Islamofascists"?
Isn't that how they handle this kind of thing? S-what they did with the BNP, skins and the like, right.
Just limit their speech.
Same thing.

[DanaC]

Why don't Europeans just make it illegal to speak from the Koran, wear a turban, or anything that "seems" like it is "Islamofascists"?
Isn't that how they handle this kind of thing? S-what they did with the BNP, skins and the like, right.
Just limit their speech.
Same thing.

Europeans or British? The BNP are a solely British affair. Even with Euro-wide agreements, the laws are actually very different from one European nation to another.


From BBC

European interior ministers have agreed to make incitement to racism an EU-wide crime, but have stopped short of a blanket ban on Holocaust denial.
The agreement makes it an offence to condone or grossly trivialise crimes of genocide - but only if the effect is incitement to violence or hatred.

The deal follows six years of talks, and will disappoint Germany, which pushed hard for a Holocaust-denial law.

Berlin has also had to drop a proposal for an EU-wide ban on Nazi symbols.

The European Network Against Racism said most European countries already had laws against incitement to racism, and the "weak text" would leave many national legal codes unchanged.

Films and plays

Under the agreement, incitement to hatred or violence against a group or a person based on colour, race, national or ethnic origin must be punishable by at least a year in jail.

However, member states can choose to limit prosecutions to cases likely to disturb public order.

Punishing incitement to hatred against religion will only be compulsory in cases where it amounts to inciting hatred against a national or ethnic group, race or colour.

Officials said the wording was carefully designed to avoid criminalising films or plays about genocide, or discouraging academic research.

But dissemination of "tracts, pictures or other material" is punishable if it is designed to incite violence or hatred.

The chief difficulty holding up an agreement, since the proposal was first put forward in 2001, was the concern of some states that it would impinge on freedom of speech.

The text of the decision says the new rules will not modify the obligation to respect fundamental legal principles, including freedom of expression and association.

Countries where it is already a crime to deny the Holocaust will stick to their existing rules, but other countries will not be obliged to help them with judicial investigations.

STATES WITH HOLOCAUST DENIAL LAWS
Austria
Belgium
Czech Republic
France
Germany
Lithuania
Poland
Romania
Slovakia

You'll notice Britain isn't on that list. The countries on that list, who operate wt holocaust denial laws, are mainly those who have a strong reason to seek to keep that history.

In Britain, our laws limiting what groups like the BNP can say/disseminate, are very specific. It is not ilegal for someone to say 'I hate all blacks'. It's not illegal to say 'all pakis are scum and we should send 'em all back'. It is illegal to address a rally, or deliver a bunch of leaflets saying 'the time is now, stand up for white rights, kick a paki today'.

Originally Posted by DanaC

Europeans or British? The BNP are a solely British affair. Even with Euro-wide agreements, the laws are actually very different from one European nation to another.


From BBC


You'll notice Britain isn't on that list. The countries on that list, who operate wt holocaust denial laws, are mainly those who have a strong reason to seek to keep that history.

In Britain, our laws limiting what groups like the BNP can say/disseminate, are very specific. It is not ilegal for someone to say 'I hate all blacks'. It's not illegal to say 'all pakis are scum and we should send 'em all back'. It is illegal to address a rally, or deliver a bunch of leaflets saying 'the time is now, stand up for white rights, kick a paki today'.

Really, so the BNP can have a rally with White Law playing and the crowd giving the Nazi salute in the UK and no one says boo?
I don't think so.
Again, if they are going to do this, they might as well do it for Muslims... same thing.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Rich, it's simply that the Wrong Right doesn't have the clout, the organization, the numbers, the funds or the ear of the government to threaten my liberties the way the activists of the Loon Left can.

And too, you've noticed how much advice I take from the Loon and Loon-oid Left.

Unfortunately it's the Right that are taking them away as quickly as they can.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Unfortunately it's the Right that are taking them away as quickly as they can.

That, rkzen, is what the Loon Left is saying -- they're saying, but I don't see anything happening. They base this upon anti-Republicanism, a most suspicious basis for anything.

My Bill of Rights is as intact as it always was, and better off than when that disgrace Clinton was in. If mine is all right, why is yours decaying?

So the Left is driving for the removal of our freedoms? Really?
Or it isn't happening?
Which one?
Since BushCo. has been in office they have been wiping their ass with the Constitution and Bill Of Rights and I can't wait to see them in prison for it.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Uh -- you better edit.