Public Schools Pay Teachers 50% Above Market, Heritage Analysis Finds

[Spexxvet]

Here's my district
http://www.teachersalaryinfo.com/pen...hool-district/

[Griff]

Originally Posted by classicman

Also, Pennsylvania requires that certified teachers at a minimum have a bachelor’s degree and have completed an approved program of teacher education.
So lets be careful before we start saying they need MBA's or PhD's.

Reciprocity with the following states:
Alabama Arizona Arkansas California Colorado Connecticut Delaware Florida Georgia Hawaii Idaho Illinois Kansas Kentucky Louisiana Maine Maryland Massachusetts Michigan Mississippi Missouri Montana Nebraska Nevada New Hampshire New Jersey New Mexico New York North Carolina North Dakota Ohio Oklahoma
Oregon Rhode Island South Carolina South Dakota Tennessee Texas Utah Vermont Virginia Washington West Virginia Wisconsin Wyoming

Off the top of my head and under my desk book stack: No reciprocity with New York without a Masters degree, a credit evaluation through BOCES with follow-up coursework, three years teaching experience with mentoring, ongoing continuing education as long as you teach, and completion of testing requirements, since PA uses Praxis and NY uses LAST/ATS-W NYSTCE and specialty tests.

[classicman]

Interesting, thanks. That is certainly not what the site said. It only listed those states. No further specifics.

[Griff]

I suspect the BA only gets you provisional (Level I) certification and new teachers will have to get their Master's degree or equivalent coursework to achieve permanent (Level II) certification... but I don't know that for sure.

[classicman]

I forgot the link for that part. Here it is.

I think you are right. Upon further reading I saw this.

Pennsylvania will accept some teaching credentials from the following states. Contact the Pennsylvania Department of Education to inquire about your specific situation. Please see our interstate reciprocity disclaimer for more information.

Thats not what I think reciprocity means. but hey, I'll not split hairs.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

Also, Pennsylvania requires that certified teachers at a minimum have a bachelor’s degree and have completed an approved program of teacher education.
So lets be careful before we start saying they need MBA's or PhD's.

Let's be more careful reading what was written before misrepresenting it. Many stated require masters. For example, New Jersey teachers can get a job only with a bachelors. But are required to obtain a masters after so many years. That requirement was first implemented in the late 1970s.

In a state where so many teachers have a masters, New Jersey has one of the nation's more successful education systems. But the average salary is listed at only $61,000. Teachers with so many years of experience are paid less than an MBA with zero years experience? Did the Heritage Foundation forget to include these numbers by accident?

Nobody said an administrator 'needs' an PhD. But superintendents routinely have PhDs. Please read what was posted before misrepresenting it.

Why does the Heritage Foundation claim teachers are overpaid? Preaching myths to wacko extremists. Making claims devoid of facts or numbers.

The topic is not teacher’s salaries. The topic is how wacko extremists invent bogeymen for political purposes. A trend is obvious. Teachers are not overpaid. Why did the Heritage Foundation decide to paint teaches as greedy and evil? Hate gets the least educated to support wacko extremism.

If the Heritage Foundation was honest, then their paper would have included all those above numbers.

[classicman]

I posted plenty of numbers. I countered that which the Heritage posted and that which you posted incorrectly.
Again, you are incorrect in comparing them ALL to MBA's and as far as NJ. It is FAR easier to get a teaching job with far less credentials in NJ than it is in PA.

Now go crawl back into the basement and leave me out of you little holier than thou
bullshit.

[Undertoad]

My 7th grade teacher who smacked me across the face, knocking me to the floor, was overpaid. He had his Doctorate.

[HungLikeJesus]

Did he hit you with his rhythm stick?

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

Now go crawl back into the basement and leave me out of you little holier than thou
bullshit.

So you are wrong again. Cannot admit it. And again lash out with child like emotion.

I love it.

[Clodfobble]

Classic, just don't. Let it go.

Fun fact: tw also loves olives.

[Lamplighter]

PEEP

[Undertoad]

Taking Clods advice with one caveat

i.e., not taking Clod's advice.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Classic! Just don't let it go.

--snip.

Could be punctuation blindness.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Classic, just don't. Let it go.

Originally Posted by classicman

Taking Clods advice with one caveat

Originally Posted by Undertoad

i.e., not taking Clod's advice.

This is just the kind of stuff that teachers have to put up with. You couldn't pay me enough. I'd rather pick lettuce for 12 cents a bushel.

The Heritage Foundation - aka "Why every one except the rich people who fund us is an overpaid peasant who should be happy he or she even has a job"

Who the *** has similar job skills and education to teachers except for teachers?