Obama vs Romney Debate

[BigV]

romney--obama took two weeks to say libyan attack was terrorism

obama--I said it was act of terror the next day

romney--OH! make sure that is on the record candy

crowley--he did say it was an act of terror the following day

obama--can you say that a little louder candy? crowd cheers

romney--(retreating) it took the administration two weeks

(talking over each other) go to the transcript.

***

crowley fact checks romney into the boards. ouch.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by BigV

romney--obama took two weeks to say libyan attack was terrorism

obama--I said it was act of terror the next day

romney--OH! make sure that is on the record candy

crowley--he did say it was an act of terror the following day

obama--can you say that a little louder candy? crowd cheers

romney--(retreating) it took the administration two weeks

(talking over each other) go to the transcript.

***

crowley fact checks romney into the boards. ouch.

rose garden remarks the following day.

By JOSH GERSTEIN |
9/27/12 10:12 AM EDT

Despite a drumbeat from the right and even independent fact-checkers that President Barack Obama has been unwilling to label as terrorism the attack on a United States diplomatic mission in Libya, the president indicated just a day after the killing of the American ambassador there that the assault was part of a series of "acts of terror" the U.S. has faced.

"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for," Obama said in a Rose Garden statement on Sept. 12. "Today, we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."

Notwithstanding Obama's initial statement, Republicans have faulted him for failing to use the word "terrorism" to describe the attack, even when he was asked directly about it during an interview on Monday.

[JBKlyde]

I want a bouncy ball revolution..

[BigV]

Originally Posted by JBKlyde

I want a bouncy ball revolution..

oooooookaaaay... but I urge caution.

Be careful, very, very careful about what you wish for.

Wish granted.

one bouncy ball revolution, coming up.

[Griff]

Did Romney just promise national health care?

[BigV]

I heard nothing of the sort.

Let's go to the video tape transcript.

Also here, but I only get as far as Romney's last answer. Where did you hear that? What kinds of words did you hear?

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Griff

Did Romney just promise national health care?

Originally Posted by BigV

I heard nothing of the sort.

I was joking. He was bragging on Romney care.

If people know where their own and the income of the richest Americans comes from Romney bombed that issue. He also had to support contraception, which his nutter base won't like.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by Griff

... Romney bombed that issue. He also had to support contraception, which his nutter base won't like.

Look at Adak. He is willing to ignore the moderate stuff coming out of Romney's mouth because he's already bought into Romney. At this point, Romney can do or say basically anything and his nutter base will still support him.

[JBKlyde]

OK so like this.. take all the pressure you are having of "mY illogical nonsence"' and imagine a ballon.. now just let all the " my iloggical nonsence" be a warning of what "illigeal narcitics and cigeretts will do to you and let it go like the man in the moon...

[Adak]

I know it's just another fact checker's check mark against him, but I was surprised to hear Obama talk about getting more oil.

Sure, we're getting more oil - but that's on private land, not public land. On public land, Obama has sharply curtailed oil drilling.

This is the first time I've ever actually been ashamed of Obama. That lie is SO BIG, I don't see how it can be ignored.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Adak

I know it's just another fact checker's check mark against him, but I was surprised to hear Obama talk about getting more oil.

That lie is SO BIG, I don't see how it can be ignored.

Sure, we're getting more oil -

Rearranged for clarity.

[Adak]

Obama says he's supported getting more oil, when in fact, he has opposed it in almost every possible way.

He's cut back so much on the drilling in the Alaskan OIL reserve, that the Alaskan pipeline oil is in danger of freezing up - barely enough hot oil flowing through it.

@Happy Monkey:

Is completely joining into that lie, OK with you? I'm not sure whether you're joking or not.

Since gasoline and diesel are close to double what they were under Bush, this IS an important issue for our economy - and immediately for our own fuel, as well as the price of all goods and services that must be transported.

[xoxoxoBruce]

The price of gas/diesel have more to do with futures speculators, than the supply of oil. The same is happening to food.
In CA it's the availability of finished product because big oil has cut refining capacity so close, there's no way to meet demand when a refinery goes down unexpectedly.

[Stormieweather]

Originally Posted by Adak

Obama says he's supported getting more oil, when in fact, he has opposed it in almost every possible way.

He's cut back so much on the drilling in the Alaskan OIL reserve, that the Alaskan pipeline oil is in danger of freezing up - barely enough hot oil flowing through it.

@Happy Monkey:

Is completely joining into that lie, OK with you? I'm not sure whether you're joking or not.

Since gasoline and diesel are close to double what they were under Bush, this IS an important issue for our economy - and immediately for our own fuel, as well as the price of all goods and services that must be transported.

I thought Obama's explanation of the public land leases was perfectly clear. Oil companies had leases on public land but weren't utilizing them. Obama's administration ended them so the land could be used now, not when the oil company felt like it/wanted to make the most profit.

NY Times fact checking:

Oil and gas production on public lands has fluctuated during the Obama administration, but it has increased modestly (about 13 percent for oil and about 6 percent for gas) in the first three years of the Obama presidency, compared with the last three years of the administration of President George W. Bush, according to an analysis from the Energy Information Administration.

The Interior Department produced a report this year showing that drilling permits received and issued by the agency had indeed declined from the last years of the Bush administration to the first years of the Obama administration — but not by half. (In the 2007 fiscal year, the government issued 8,964 permits to drill on public lands; in 2008 the figure was 7,846. The numbers for 2009 and 2010 were 5,306 and 5,237.)

Mr. Obama said that 7,000 drilling permits had been granted but were not being used by oil companies, an accurate figure, according to the Interior Department.

Mr. Obama stated that renewable energy production had doubled during his presidency, which is true, and that oil imports were at their lowest level in 16 years, also accurate. He also said that the boom in natural gas production could produce 600,000 new jobs, a highly optimistic estimate, but he qualified it with the word “potentially.”

NY Time fact checking

[henry quirk]

Watched the first in its entirety, part of the second, part of the third.

Unimpressive: all.

Used car salesmen lookin' to move lemons.


What I want to see...

O and R (B and R) sitting across from one another, asking each other questions, no 'moderator', only a timekeeper.

Unscripted, un-governed, utterly spontaneous: let the chips fall...


The question I wanted to hear last night...

'Mr. President, nuthin' you've done over the past four years has significantly helped or hindered me, and, nuthin' you've proposed in your campaign (for the next four years) is liable to help or hinder me. Mr. Governor, nuthin' you've proposed in your campaign (for the next four years) will significantly help or hinder me, so, gentlemen, why should I vote for either of you?'