Elite Troops Get Expanded Role on Intelligence

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Everyone is not going for the same thing as well, take Venezuela for example. The class inequality was enormous and now they are trying to close the gap while still proceeding forward.

Well have you seen the news about how happy the people are with the progressive changes in Venezuela in the last few days??? I don't thing are so rosey and the chinks in the plan are beginning to show.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

You don't believe some of the cavemen had more spears, more pelts and more women?

Cavemen who had more than one woman never survived. God smite them for their sins. (Today we have drugs so that god cannot smite us. We have made it safe to sin.)

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

These arguments are all perspective because I am sure we have different ideas of what a better system is. If we are looking at different endings, we will never find something we both like.

The reason capitalism has been desirable is that it gives the people the freedom to do what they want, i.e. set their own goals and agendas, more than any other system.

I'm confident you'll never get 300million people to agree on anything... someone will say the sky is not blue(yes, I know). So you need a system that lets people do what they want or they won't buy into it voluntarily.

That was the beauty of the US Constitution which said, have a good time, be careful not to hurt anybody and don't be out too late... one positive, one caution, one negative.... balanced.

That's better than, keep your skirt down, pants up and come home from school in a group..... all negatives.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by tw

Cavemen who had more than one woman never survived. God smite them for their sins. (Today we have drugs so that god cannot smite us. We have made it safe to sin.)

Have you been putting salt peter in my food again?

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Well have you seen the news about how happy the people are with the progressive changes in Venezuela in the last few days??? I don't thing are so rosey and the chinks in the plan are beginning to show.

Of course not everyone like the new system in Venezuela but these past events had nothing to do with free speech, just against the government.

MCTV committed treason and that is why Hugo declined to renew their contract. During the 2002 attempted takeover MCTV told Venezuelans to "go out and fight" and lied about Chavez stepping down. That is treason and a TV station in America would never get a renewed contract if they did that against Bush or any other president.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

The reason capitalism has been desirable is that it gives the people the freedom to do what they want, i.e. set their own goals and agendas, more than any other system.

It is suppose to do that and will do that for a while but once it starts building up steam it starts causing all the problems. Monopolies and imperialism are not the freedom that everyone wants, but only to the ones in power.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Monopolies are, well, uncapitalistic. They trammel a free market and are thus undesirable.

Pierce's whole line of argument in this thread shows an enthusiasm for socialism. I, of course, do not share it -- and it won't last in any case:

A definitive answer [to who said what about liberals and conservatives] arose in the wonderful book "Nice Guys Finish Seventh: False Phrases, Spurious Sayings, and Familiar Misquotations" by Ralph Keyes, 1992.

Keyes writes:

"An orphan quote (i.e., unattributed quote in search of a home) sometimes attributed to Georges Clemenceau is:

Any man who is not a socialist at age 20 has no heart. Any man who is still a socialist at age 40 has no head.

The most likely reason is that Bennet Cerf once reported Clemenceau's response to a visitor's alarm about his son being a communist:

If he had not become a Communist at 22, I would have disowned him. If he is still a Communist at 30, I will do it then.

George Seldes later quoted Lloyd George as having said:

A young man who isn't a socialist hasn't got a heart; an old man who is a socialist hasn't got a head.

[However,] the earliest known version of this observation is attributed to mid-nineteenth century historian and statesman Fran�ois Guizot:

Not to be a republican at 20 is proof of want of heart; to be one at 30 is proof of want of head.

Variations on this theme were later attributed to Disraeli, Shaw, Churchill, and Bertrand Russell."

I think the one attributed to Churchill runs "If a man isn't a socialist at twenty he has no heart; if he's still a socialist at forty he has no brain."

I guess I may congratulate myself on having always been brainy. As for Pierce, I wish him speedy recovery from his socialist disease.

I'm indebted to Heinlein for that phrase.

Does tw know the past tense of smite is smote, or was this a particularly infelicitous typo? With tw's inability to copyedit, we may never know.

I must have no heart... I was never a socialist, I saw that it was ignorant from day one. No two people have the same work ethic and, therefore, deserve the same pay/reward. I guess it was because at twenty I was a foreman.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

The reason capitalism has been desirable is that it gives the people the freedom to do what they want, i.e. set their own goals and agendas, more than any other system.

I'm confident you'll never get 300million people to agree on anything... someone will say the sky is not blue(yes, I know). So you need a system that lets people do what they want or they won't buy into it voluntarily.

That was the beauty of the US Constitution which said, have a good time, be careful not to hurt anybody and don't be out too late... one positive, one caution, one negative.... balanced.

That's better than, keep your skirt down, pants up and come home from school in a group..... all negatives.

He does not believe in freedom or equality, you are talking to a wall.

[piercehawkeye45]

What’s your definition of capitalism then UG? You can make the most profit from a monopoly. Just because monopolies form because of capitalism, you can't just change the definition because you don't like it. You have to take the bad with the good.

I do not claim to be socialist because there hasn’t been a form that I think that will be overly successful. Socialism is something that has to be perfected and we are far from that right now so we will not see the desired affects right away.

I think socialism is a very good idea for Venezuela and the rest of South and Central America right now and it seems to be working. Profits are up and then only thing they have to worry about is inflation and ridding there self of an oil dependency, which they also seem to be working on with the help of some capitalism I will admit.

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

He does not believe in freedom or equality, you are talking to a wall.

You are taking a completely ridiculous statement out of its thread. Class if I've ever seen it.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Have you been putting salt peter in my food again?

It's called old age. Welcome to the club.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Of course not everyone like the new system in Venezuela but these past events had nothing to do with free speech, just against the government.

MCTV committed treason and that is why Hugo declined to renew their contract. During the 2002 attempted takeover MCTV told Venezuelans to "go out and fight" and lied about Chavez stepping down. That is treason and a TV station in America would never get a renewed contract if they did that against Bush or any other president.


It is suppose to do that and will do that for a while but once it starts building up steam it starts causing all the problems. Monopolies and imperialism are not the freedom that everyone wants, but only to the ones in power.

Everyone serves someone in any organization. Call it what you want, dress it up as you like. Someone is going to be in charge and making the rules. I prefer our current system. I can use some improvements, certainly, but it beats all the others out there hands down.

BTW, I bet any TV station in the US could pretty much say anything they wanted against Bush and their ratings would more likely than not go up. The US Government has never, to limited understanding, shut down a previous licensed TV or Radio Station. They have been fined, but not shut down because of something they broadcast. Hell, think of War of the Worlds, they didn't even shut them down after all the chaos they caused.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Shut Down, hell they are lucky they weren't all shot and the station blown up, at the time.

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The US Government has never, to limited understanding, shut down a previous licensed TV or Radio Station. They have been fined, but not shut down because of something they broadcast.

Instead they have wacko extremists manipulate stations for them. Ted Koppel simply devoted one Nightline to honor all American dead from "Mission Accomplished". Wacko extremists such as Sinclair Broadcasting would not air that episode and joined a campaign for force ABC to limit programming that extremists did not like. Eventually rules even included as least two conservatives for each liberal guest.

ABC was plummeted with mail condemning a new TV show because its first episode was so disliked (All in the Family? no). Problem was: that show had not even aired. Extremists began attacking it only because they were told to. The show: Three's Company. Clearly it was evil only because wacko extremists feared we all might sin.

The Smothers Brothers simply told a truth about Vietnam. That show eventually aired in limited markets. Nothing extremist in it. It simply made an accurate point about government lies and Nam. But again, wackos got ignorant and extremists supporters to impose their morality on all others. Same wackos advocated deaths of millions of Vietnamese and called that 'patriotic American'. Same mentalities want same in Iraq.

Government need not impose its will when it has wacko extremists to do so - encouraged by government mouthpieces such as Rush Limbaugh.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

BTW, I bet any TV station in the US could pretty much say anything they wanted against Bush and their ratings would more likely than not go up. The US Government has never, to limited understanding, shut down a previous licensed TV or Radio Station. They have been fined, but not shut down because of something they broadcast. Hell, think of War of the Worlds, they didn't even shut them down after all the chaos they caused.

Even overthrow the government?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Even overthrow the government?

That, my friend, is repeating the spin of the Chavez government. You really believe them?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

Instead they have wacko extremists manipulate stations for them.

You are right. MoveOn.Org has a huge following of leftists in the US and TV and Radio loves to spew their crap.