A Town Willing To Enforce The Law

[Griff]

How about racist?

Originally Posted by Griff

How about racist?

Nope, the mayor is the son of two legal immigrants.
They are quite open about how welcoming they are to their legal immigrant community and eleven immigrant businesses have opened since the ordinance has passed.
This is not about race, it is about the law and the law alone. An illegal Brit or Scott is just as illegal.

[Griff]

[soviet]I can't wait for this to go national, so we can encourage folks to spy on their neighbors private activities. This will be awesome.[/booster]

[Griff]

BTW- We're gonna need a national id card now.

[elSicomoro]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Nope, the mayor is the son of two legal immigrants.
They are quite open about how welcoming they are to their legal immigrant community and eleven immigrant businesses have opened since the ordinance has passed.
This is not about race, it is about the law and the law alone.

Having lived in the St. Louis area most of my life, and having a good sense of the type of people that live in Valley Park, I'm gonna call "bullshit" on this...no offense to you, rk.

Griff was actually referring to the type of Democrats that are popular here in the area, not just Whitteaker.

[elSicomoro]

The following is from the current front page of Valley Park's website:

The City of Valley Park has passed an ordinance making it illegal for businesses to hire illegal aliens and for landlords to rent to illegal aliens. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF) and others have brought together a team of 22 lawyers to sue the City and halt the enforcement of the ordinance. Their lawsuit, brought on behalf of three landlords and a business, argues that the City's ordinance violates numerous federal and state constitutional provisions and discriminates against classes of tenants and employees illegally. The suit seeks compensation for attorney fees and seeks to fine the City Officials for violations of state open meetings laws. Valley Park has denied the allegations and has assembled a legal team to defend it's ordinance and it's officials.

The City has retained the services of a law professor at the University of Missouri who was the chief advisor to former U.S. Attorney General Ashcroft on immigration matters. Prof. Kobach is a nationally known expert in immigration and constitutional law. Valley Park has a limited budget and is a small city, with the population less than 7,500 citizens, whereas the litigants in the suit against the City have counsel who are providing their services to them free from charges. The City has experienced much legal expenses and would appreciate the financial support of like minded persons or businesses that believe our country and way of life is threatened by unrestricted illegal immigration and the presence of illegal aliens in the community at a time when our nation is in a global war against terrorism.

Please consider donating to our cause.

Sincerely,

Jeffery Whitteaker,
Mayor

Translation by sycamore: I, along with a handful of other idges, are so hellbent on passing this shit, that we're essentially willing to bankrupt our backwater piece of shit suburb. Please save us from ourselves.

If only the floods of 1982 and 1993 had truly wiped the city off the map...

[piercehawkeye45]

Oh yeah, and letting them out in the streets will be sooooo much better. We cannot just send them back to whatever country they come from because there are too many, most we wouldn't be able to find anyways, and even if we did they would come back just as fast. So, we are stuck with them. Now, let’s just ignore and disrespect them and hope they go away, right? Lets let them starve on the street, they are illegals anyways, why should we care about them?

Now, look at the consequences of these actions. They are illegals, they have no way to get money. How do you think they will survive? A life a crime. They will hurt innocent Americans because we brushed them off to the side instead of working with them to make it better for everyone. That is why helping illegals is a "moral sacrifice for the greater good" and why we should work with illegals to make them legal and DOCUMENTED.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

snip~ and why we should work with illegals to make them legal and DOCUMENTED.

Of course that's the way it always is, now isn't it? We have to work with them because they refused to work with us. They ignored our laws, now we're being black mailed into crumbling to their demands or innocent people will get hurt?

Well, like you said, life ain't fair, so kill 'em if they prey on people. Hunt them down like the criminals that they are. It's got nothing to do with race, it's about enforcing the laws the rest of us have to live by. Either enforce them or rescind them. Don't tell me I must and they don't....that's unacceptable.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Of course that's the way it always is, now isn't it? We have to work with them because they refused to work with us. They ignored our laws, now we're being black mailed into crumbling to their demands or innocent people will get hurt?

We have had no fault in this? Maybe we shouldn't have raped their country in the first place and they wouldn't be here illegally.

[TheMercenary]

No, you round them up and send them home. As we are slowly starting to do. No one said anything about letting them out on the streets, not me anyway. It is not just Mexicans or people of spanish/south american origin. There are huge groups of people here illegally. Send them out and make them come back registered. Give everyone of them a fair shake to comeback as a documented alien. The current plan turning a blind eye and just letting them fade into our communities is a bad policy.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

No, you round them up and send them home. As we are slowly starting to do. No one said anything about letting them out on the streets, not me anyway.

I can't see how this will work. They are hiding from the law and are blending in with the civilian population. Also, if you read my post, I said that if we did send them out they would just come back. Even if you don't plan on sending them out on the streets, that is where they will go.

It is not just Mexicans or people of spanish/south american origin.

When did I say anything about how all illegals are just from Mexico or Latin America?

There are huge groups of people here illegally. Send them out and make them come back registered.

How much money and time would this cost? How are we suppose to keep them out?

Give everyone of them a fair shake to comeback as a documented alien. The current plan turning a blind eye and just letting them fade into our communities is a bad policy.

The reason they are coming here is because their life is so shitting they are willing to take the risk of coming here illegally to have a better life. This won't solve anything except wasting money. Accepting them is a lot cheaper and it makes it doesn't cause hatred between two cultures.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I can't see how this will work. They are hiding from the law and are blending in with the civilian population. Also, if you read my post, I said that if we did send them out they would just come back. Even if you don't plan on sending them out on the streets, that is where they will go.


When did I say anything about how all illegals are just from Mexico or Latin America?


How much money and time would this cost? How are we suppose to keep them out?


The reason they are coming here is because their life is so shitting they are willing to take the risk of coming here illegally to have a better life. This won't solve anything except wasting money. Accepting them is a lot cheaper and it makes it doesn't cause hatred between two cultures.

The current plan is not working, and that is a fact.
1. Close the Southern border tight.
2. Begin deportations. Go to the prisons and deport the offenders who are illegal to their host nations prisons. Refuse care for illegals at hospitals except in an emergency. Force all law enforcement agencies to notify the ICE everytime an illegal is arrested or stopped for minor offenses, allow them to be detained for deportation.
3. Set up check points where anyone who wants to enter on a work visa has the chance to get one with a picture ID, finger prints, and an iris scan, develop an extensive national data base and and enforcement personnel to use it. Insist on compliance and those who do not comply would be permanantly banned.
4. I stated thier origin because I wanted to be clear that this is not about race.
5. Time and money??? That is the problem. We have never devoted the time or the money.
6. WOW! they are comming here because thier life is so shitty in their home?!?!? Who would have thunk it! Not my problem. We are wasting money having them here not the otherway around.

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

1. Close the Southern border tight.

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4. I stated thier origin because I wanted to be clear that this is not about race.

Ugh, will someone turn on a fan or something?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

Ugh, will someone turn on a fan or something?

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The current plan is not working, and that is a fact.

I never knew we even had a plan...

1. Close the Southern border tight.

How do you plan to do this? Build a big fence?

2. Begin deportations. Go to the prisons and deport the offenders who are illegal to their host nations prisons. Refuse care for illegals at hospitals except in an emergency. Force all law enforcement agencies to notify the ICE everytime an illegal is arrested or stopped for minor offenses, allow them to be detained for deportation.

So you will find a few illegals, what about the ones that don't do anything illegal once they are in the country?

3. Set up check points where anyone who wants to enter on a work visa has the chance to get one with a picture ID, finger prints, and an iris scan, develop an extensive national data base and and enforcement personnel to use it. Insist on compliance and those who do not comply would be permanantly banned.

How does this solve anything?

4. I stated thier origin because I wanted to be clear that this is not about race.

And if they lie?

5. Time and money??? That is the problem. We have never devoted the time or the money.

Which is a problem for me. I would much rather spend the time and money into education, not kicking people out of our country.

6. WOW! they are comming here because thier life is so shitty in their home?!?!? Who would have thunk it! Not my problem. We are wasting money having them here not the otherway around.

So you are completely uncapable of seeing life in someone else's shoes. Do you think your life is more valuable then their's or do you not have a soul?