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Old 10-20-2013, 03:32 PM   #1
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Probably NOT !

I've spent a while trying to find an original, reliable record of this "court case"... nothing.

This looks a lot like a plant on a Google forum database.
My searches turned up numerous web pages all referring back to this one post.
Those web pages (except for one newpaper) were obviously politically "anti-vaccine".
The newspaper also only reprinted information in the Google posting.

I found nothing new, beyond what is in LJ's link.
Maybe others can be successful, but I'll be surprised.
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Old 10-20-2013, 04:30 PM   #2
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Probably NOT !

I've spent a while trying to find an original, reliable record of this "court case"... nothing.

This looks a lot like a plant on a Google forum database.
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Maybe others can be successful, but I'll be surprised.
Well, I am surprised... I found the court record of this case with this link which downloads a pdf file.

The child was born in June 2004 and had a medical record of developmental delay.
The MMR vaccine was given in November 2004.

28 pages later, the Special Master ruled in favor of the plaintiff,
and ordered compensation.

I apologize for my ineptitude in the previous posting.
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Old 10-19-2013, 10:56 PM   #3
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At this time of night, without having the time to devote further research to it ... this link is to a post by someone named 'John' on an unnamed board, who provided a nonfunctioning link to a court decision. We can only take 'John's' word for the summary.

The key phrase I see in the post is the reference to the 'Eggshell Skull Rule', and the admission that Benjamin 'may have had a genetic predisposition or a physiologic susceptibility' to intractable seizures, encephalopathy, and developmental delay.

I'm sorry, LJ, I'd have to look into this more fully before saying anything. If this child had normal health prior to the immunization, does that prove that the immunization caused his subsequent health problems? Would he have developed those problems regardless of immunization because he had a previously undiagnosed condition? Is there evidence that the vaccination specifically caused the subsequent health problem; is the effect reproducible; is it dose-dependent; is it biologically explainable/logical?

I will try to find information on this case tomorrow.
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Old 10-20-2013, 02:18 PM   #4
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tw - sometimes you just like to piss on the campfire don't you? Seems like you are determined to keep things on a personal level. Be glad Jim is a good man because you can push some folks too far. Just sayin'......
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Old 10-20-2013, 03:54 PM   #5
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tw - sometimes you just like to piss on the campfire don't you? Seems like you are determined to keep things on a personal level. Be glad Jim is a good man because you can push some folks too far. Just sayin'......
Well there you go, Big Sarge has diagnosed tw with Bendii Syndrome. Why hasn't medical science come up with a prevention for this?
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Old 10-20-2013, 02:28 PM   #6
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Or sometimes they don't bother. My daughter's only in the database because I put her there myself. The doctor felt that head-to-toe hives and explosive emerald green diarrhea with no end in sight were not severe enough reactions, apparently.
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Old 10-20-2013, 02:52 PM   #7
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Yeah, in my experience they didn't want to hear about potential issues especially from someone who tried to open a discussion about stretching out the schedule. The politics seem to trump what is actually happening with the child. Picture a discussion with tw as if he made his living in medicine.
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Old 10-20-2013, 05:39 PM   #8
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There's a few YouTube clips of local news stories too but they phrase things suspiciously... I figured it would have been a big to do if it was legit.
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Old 05-24-2009, 11:53 AM   #9
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Old 05-25-2009, 07:03 AM   #10
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Jenny McCarthy is Amanda Peete. These are really difficult questions with spokesmodels randomly choosing up sides. It is like Al Gore being the face of Global Warming. His (lack of) credibility probably shouldn't be part of the conversation, but the science is so difficult people look for a short-cut finding someone they trust to do their thinking for them. We've had too damn much side-choosing over the last several years, hopefully we can get at the truth. If we cannot sort the science ourselves, at the least, we should put our trust in folks with a history of intelligence and intellectual honesty. Look for respected people who change sides.
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Old 05-25-2009, 08:35 AM   #11
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Old 05-25-2009, 11:22 AM   #12
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"There are no fundamental philosophical differences; there is bad grammar."
...which is apparently "ruining the English language."
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