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05-03-2009, 07:33 AM | #1 |
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The bold in my post by Will is not some fanciful wonderings of a political commentator. They are factual statements about the process of "reconciliation" and how many lawmakers and legal as well as political scholars view the process as proposed by the current Congress. The individual comes to the table with credentials. You bring none.
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The same "reconciliation" Republicans used for welfare reform and Bush's $trillion tax cuts.
And still nothing in the budget proposal, or anything put forth by any Democratic member of Congress, to support Will's conclusion about govt run health care and freezing out private insurers. That is a fact as well. |
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LOL....your standard response when I ask you to cite anything factual to support your editorials.
Its OK..call me whatever you want. That is what you do best (although you're not very good at it.) It doesnt change the facts....and you still havent cited anything from the Democrats in Congress that would suggest plans for a single payer, government run health care system and driving the private sector out. "We are not Europe. We are not Canada. We need Maybe because its just more conservative bullshit? Last edited by Redux; 05-03-2009 at 08:16 AM. |
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Another perspective:
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05-03-2009, 08:15 AM | #6 |
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You don't read very well, or you just want to focus on one aspect of Will's commentary. As I stated. I am less concerned with what Obama says he thinks he is going to do as I am with what the final product is going to be coming out of Congress and how they vote on it in the end. {See bold in Will's commentary, which is factual.}
Do I really need to continue to link you back to my previous posts to make that point?
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"We are not Europe. We are not Canada. We need a uniquely American solution. It has to be a partnership of public and private players." -- Sen Max Baucus, the Democrat point man on health reform in Congress.Fact...there is no Democrat plan or even remote suggestion for a single payer, govt run health care system. Do I need to continue to point out the baseless conservative bullshit you post? The only thing factual in that editorial is that the Democrats, like the Republicans before them, may use reconciliation on a health care reform bill...and even that is questionable w/o support of guys like Baucus. Last edited by Redux; 05-03-2009 at 08:24 AM. |
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On a higher note:
http://www.factcheck.org/politics/go...alth_care.html was a good link. I believe that is a more accurate assessment of how they want things to go. But they have not sent it through the grinder of lobbyist and special interest groups in Congress so the final product remains to be seen. And on top of that, how is it going to be paid for by the rest of us with jobs and insurance.
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It would be nice if the bullshit about a govt run system could be excluded from the debate, but that wont happen. I suspect it will be the Republican talking point throughout....along with talk of "rationing care" and "government taking away choices" and "controlling all health care decisions" for you and me. And as you probably know, from being in the health care system, you and I and the rest of us with jobs and insurance are already paying for the 45+ million uninsured and, for many workers, health care costs are the fastest rising costs they face. Not to mention the impending Medicare explosion as baby boomers drop into the system. Something has to be done to provide affordable and accessible health care for all and someone has to pay. Last edited by Redux; 05-03-2009 at 08:47 AM. |
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I can't agree more. I just don't want it to be me who pays more.
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That's the point of this whole change in the system, if it doesn't happen you will pay more, much much more.
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I am afraid that even if it does change I will be paying more, much more. I have started to hear federal tax rates as high as 49% being floated around, but to date have not found a reliable source for those numbers. That is quite unreasonable IMHO.
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So what you are saying is that a Gov't run plan will save those of us who are already paying? Could you please expound on that and cite examples of when any Gov't run plan saved anyone money. Gov't run programs are inherently loaded with bureaucratic costs and obscene costs much more than the private sector and virtually always slow to adapt as the politicians and lobbyists have to get their "piece" of the pie.
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I thought it was another example of a dishonest editorial: reconciliation is not something new to the Democrats...the Republicans used it on numerous occasionsEverything about that editorial was either false or misleading. Quote:
There is NO plan on the table for a government-run, single payer system. The most likely proposal is a mix of public-private options....workers with employer plans could keep those plans... and to stimulate greater competition by including options comparable to the govt employees plan, which is govt administered but with a mix of private providers. Small businesses would be encouraged to create health pools and join a plan comparable to the govt employees plan...administered by a govt agency with a range of private insurers providing various levels of coverage (PPO, HMO, etc) at varying rates, from which those small business employers/employees could chose. One more time.....there is NO plan for a government-run, single payer system. Last edited by Redux; 05-03-2009 at 12:28 PM. |
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