Guns urban vs urban?

Griff · 10-30-2006, 01:36 PM

Like we needed another gun thread.

I'm not sure if I see a trend here or not. Is most of the pro/anti gun rhetoric coming out of the densely populated areas? As an acknowleged bumkin, I just don't feel the passion that lots of folks seem to on the 2nd amendment fight. Looking at myself and my fellow hillbillies, I'd say that its because there is zero chance of disarming rural America. Pass the law, it won't happen. I don't see guns mainly as the conceal carry self-protection issue as urban pro-gunners do. Guns are to put down deer injured on the road, shoot the rabid fox, keep the possum out of the hen house, put meat in the freezer, and for the extremely unlikely home defense scenario. I just see gun confiscation as a silly unworkable thing city folk talk about doing. Is it really just urban vs urban?

glatt · 10-30-2006, 01:57 PM

I think that's a huge part of it.

My only real gun concern is with hand guns. I've got no real problem with shotguns, rifles, semi-automatic rifles, and even fully automatic rifles. What concerns me is concealable weapons that are designed to be used against human beings. Hand guns.

I think hand guns are more popular in cities, and longer guns are more popular in the country. It's easier to shoot a woodchuck with a rifle than get close enough to shoot it with a hand gun.

wolf · 10-30-2006, 01:57 PM

Pretty much, griff. Most of the urban or suburban pro gun people are dealing with antis who are acting out of fear of an otherwise useful object.

Spexxvet · 10-30-2006, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt

I think that's a huge part of it.

My only real gun concern is with hand guns. I've got no real problem with shotguns, rifles, semi-automatic rifles, and even fully automatic rifles. What concerns me is concealable weapons that are designed to be used against human beings. Hand guns.

I think hand guns are more popular in cities, and longer guns are more popular in the country. It's easier to shoot a woodchuck with a rifle than get close enough to shoot it with a hand gun.

I agree with what you said here. I don't advocate legislation against handguns, I would like to see handguns owners voluntarily get rid of them. I am a suburbanite.

mrnoodle · 10-30-2006, 03:59 PM

Something happens to people where they exist in high concentrations. They start thinking they're inherently smarter than those who live in the country. You might think that you know something about guns just because you've lived around them your whole life and you are familiar with what they can and cannot do. But you're just a hick. While you're at home whittling sticks, city folk are going to see The Vagina Monologues and listening to smooth jazz. They read thick newspapers, and as anyone knows, the thicker the paper is, the more smart it contains. I bet your newspaper isn't thick.

Spexxvet · 10-30-2006, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

Something happens to people where they exist in high concentrations. They start thinking they're inherently smarter than those who live in the country.

'Cause we are

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

You might think that you know something about guns just because you've lived around them your whole life and you are familiar with what they can and cannot do. But you're just a hick. While you're at home whittling sticks, city folk are going to see The Vagina Monologues and listening to smooth jazz. They read thick newspapers, and as anyone knows, the thicker the paper is, the more smart it contains. I bet your newspaper isn't thick.

Listen, Uncle Jed, I'll bet my newspaper is thicker than your newspaper.:p

glatt · 10-30-2006, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

They read thick newspapers, and as anyone knows, the thicker the paper is, the more smart it contains. I bet your newspaper isn't thick.

I know your post is sarcastic, but you are right with the newspapers. The thicker newspapers of a big city are far far superior to the crap they print in small town papers. There's simply far less news in a small town paper, and it's mostly fluff.

zippyt · 10-30-2006, 04:51 PM

There's simply far less news in a small town paper

Less rapes , robberys , murders , carjackings , etc,,,,,

mrnoodle · 10-30-2006, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt

I know your post is sarcastic, but you are right with the newspapers. The thicker newspapers of a big city are far far superior to the crap they print in small town papers. There's simply far less news in a small town paper, and it's mostly fluff.

I disagree. Smaller newspapers aren't beholden to mega-advertisers to drum up buzz and sell copies. They talk about things that are of immediate concern to the readership, whether it's a "big" news day or not. There's plenty of fluff, but that's because fluff is what's happening. In a 8-inch thick newspaper, 4 inches of the thickness is advertisements, 2 inches is the editorial board attempting to indoctrinate the reader into its personal political viewpoint (invert the previous 2 numbers for the Washington Post), 1 inch is sports, and the last inch is divided between actual news and information about which Hollywood debutantes are catfighting that week.

Out of 100 pages, maybe 16 contain anything you might actually need to know. If you're an investor, add 8 for the stock report.

Aliantha · 10-30-2006, 06:04 PM

I agree with glatt on this thread. That's the legislation we have here and most people seem to feel quite comfortable with it. Also though (and something I disagree with) semi-automatic rifles are illegal to own now. Mostly only rural residents or people with links to rural areas have rifles. I'd say probably one in ten homes have a gun of any description in it...if that.

MaggieL · 10-30-2006, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt

I think hand guns are more popular in cities, and longer guns are more popular in the country. It's easier to shoot a woodchuck with a rifle than get close enough to shoot it with a hand gun.

Quite true. Also home defense is more reasonably conducted with long guns when the nearest public thoroughfare is half a mile down a rural driveway.

glatt · 10-30-2006, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

I disagree. Smaller newspapers aren't beholden to mega-advertisers to drum up buzz and sell copies. They talk about things that are of immediate concern to the readership, whether it's a "big" news day or not. There's plenty of fluff, but that's because fluff is what's happening. In a 8-inch thick newspaper, 4 inches of the thickness is advertisements, 2 inches is the editorial board attempting to indoctrinate the reader into its personal political viewpoint (invert the previous 2 numbers for the Washington Post), 1 inch is sports, and the last inch is divided between actual news and information about which Hollywood debutantes are catfighting that week.

Out of 100 pages, maybe 16 contain anything you might actually need to know. If you're an investor, add 8 for the stock report.

Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing and also making stuff up. I've read both small town newspapers (almost certainly not the same ones you have) and large city newspapers. They are like night and day. Small town papers don't even come close. They just regurgitate a small number of AP stories, and even truncate most of those stories. Having said that, if you live in a town, you should get the local paper, just so you know what is going on in that town.

mrnoodle · 10-30-2006, 09:08 PM

I was the sole reporter for 3 weeklies in the San Luis Valley. I am, in fact, arguing for the sake of arguing.

One week they sold an extra ad and I had to fill up 4 pages at the last minute. I dug out the old issues from the morgue (a shelf in the back room) and created a feature called "100 years ago in the Del Norte Prospector" and copied from that issue verbatim. It was even more boring than the new stuff. Also, I stole a couple of stories from the Monte Vista and Center papers and put them in the South Fork and Creede editions. I was up for 36 hours trying to finish it in time. The front page story was about the progress of the highway project on Wolf Creek Pass, and it featured a picture of a bulldozer. I would've given my eyeteeth for an AP feed, but it was all the way in Alamosa. This was pre-internet days, too

I was going to be a stringer for the Rocky Mountain News, but my publisher was an idiot and wouldn't let me because he thought they wanted to siphon off his ad revenue

I read "real" papers, and the front sections are usually pretty good unless they're the same old tired conservative bashing. Even Le Monde -- just to get the frog version of our Democratic Party's talking points. But I stand by most of my numbers. There is no fluff as diabetic as the NYT society pages. I'd rather read about a small town guy who finally pulled together the loan to open his fishing shop. That I can relate to. Not "Mrs. Covington-Smythe (nee Walford) enjoys the companionship of chairman of the Committee to Resurrect Flapper Hats for AIDS in Africa Blansfield Xavier DuPont, of the Wallingshirefordbury DuPonts. A good time was had by all at the event, which cost $50,000 to attend and featured a cash bar."

mrnoodle · 10-30-2006, 09:36 PM

Good locals are a thing of beauty, though. Ed what'sisname in the Salida paper is a good old fashioned independent. And not as in the party, but in that he's sick of these government idiots telling him whether or what he can smoke. Quinlan. Ed Quinlan. He's going to hell, but I love him anyway and will put in a good word should he not come to Jesus in time. The vibe of that whole valley really appeals to me, and will be my first house-shoppng destination if the band doesn't take off soon.

Tonight;s typing lube: Ambien. just so you aren't surprised by whatever comes out in the next 10 minutes or so. Dem is some good legal drugs, weezy.

But I don't stoned-love Ed Quillian, I love him period. In all his unwashed mountain crazy man glory. I really miss the southwest at the moment. Once you life there, it becomes part of you. Just like the plants must dig deep to find water, and when they pull up and move on, a little piece of em stays right where he at.

I'm searching for that moment where I remember something that happened that was so so definitive of the place and its people. When one that is strong enough comes up, I'm comin home. Damn bears in my garbage, woodstove running out of wood, crazy guys with guns up in the hills loading up for the big revolution (which would end after a brisk 5 mile chase, when they could no longer raise their white greassy leg/bag of lard and bowlinballs, even to keep from pissin on em. These men become "Independent" and go back to non-anarchist jobs that payy them well.

Allis well for a season, the boys they are in high spirits. Then someone finds some damn ol thing on the fuckin interweb, prints it out and brings it to the bbar. He sits gingerly, as would a statesman of his calibre, and orders, and I quote, "just red is fine with me. If it's red, it's good"

Here's a red beer: thanks. sip sip

ayoaaaaaaaauuu KnOE what this is about, dont' you run froom or porblems in Irak. But that.......get ready for it........is NOT the REAL Problem! We have spaceships that regularly kill our cattle and possiblu takd our babies

tToward the end of my tenure, I was going to run that series. "The BatShit Freakazoid LSD tabbin, alien watchers of the SLV"

Witha guest appearence of ashaman from some inbred little maybe-tribe, but the families involved kicked his dad out a long time ago.

What story am i telling again? Ed Quinlan.

Yah I like that guy. Good commentator and always always always looking out for is peooplsez

10-30-2006, 11:09 PM

That is my problem with the whole thing. I move from the country to a smallish town and a bunch of idiots who have never held a gun think it is a good thing to get rid of them.
My side arm was used on the ranch plenty of times, as I had posted before, against varmints and, unfortunately, pulled against poachers when needed.
You try and call 911 and you get an hour wait... it just cannot be done. You have to take care of these things yourself. But that is true in your home with an intruder in the city as well.
People who don't know what they are talking about need not speak on a subject.
You are right about one thing, guns will not be taken... it is a pipe-dream.

10-30-2006, 01:36 PM	#1
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Guns urban vs urban? Like we needed another gun thread. I'm not sure if I see a trend here or not. Is most of the pro/anti gun rhetoric coming out of the densely populated areas? As an acknowleged bumkin, I just don't feel the passion that lots of folks seem to on the 2nd amendment fight. Looking at myself and my fellow hillbillies, I'd say that its because there is zero chance of disarming rural America. Pass the law, it won't happen. I don't see guns mainly as the conceal carry self-protection issue as urban pro-gunners do. Guns are to put down deer injured on the road, shoot the rabid fox, keep the possum out of the hen house, put meat in the freezer, and for the extremely unlikely home defense scenario. I just see gun confiscation as a silly unworkable thing city folk talk about doing. Is it really just urban vs urban? __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

10-30-2006, 01:57 PM	#2
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I think that's a huge part of it. My only real gun concern is with hand guns. I've got no real problem with shotguns, rifles, semi-automatic rifles, and even fully automatic rifles. What concerns me is concealable weapons that are designed to be used against human beings. Hand guns. I think hand guns are more popular in cities, and longer guns are more popular in the country. It's easier to shoot a woodchuck with a rifle than get close enough to shoot it with a hand gun. Last edited by glatt; 10-30-2006 at 02:00 PM.

10-30-2006, 01:57 PM	#3
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Pretty much, griff. Most of the urban or suburban pro gun people are dealing with antis who are acting out of fear of an otherwise useful object. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

10-30-2006, 03:59 PM	#5
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	Something happens to people where they exist in high concentrations. They start thinking they're inherently smarter than those who live in the country. You might think that you know something about guns just because you've lived around them your whole life and you are familiar with what they can and cannot do. But you're just a hick. While you're at home whittling sticks, city folk are going to see The Vagina Monologues and listening to smooth jazz. They read thick newspapers, and as anyone knows, the thicker the paper is, the more smart it contains. I bet your newspaper isn't thick. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

10-30-2006, 04:51 PM	#8
zippyt LONG LIVE KING ZIPPY! per Feetz Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 7,661	There's simply far less news in a small town paper Less rapes , robberys , murders , carjackings , etc,,,,, __________________ "Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get. " Brother Dave Gardner

10-30-2006, 06:04 PM	#10
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I agree with glatt on this thread. That's the legislation we have here and most people seem to feel quite comfortable with it. Also though (and something I disagree with) semi-automatic rifles are illegal to own now. Mostly only rural residents or people with links to rural areas have rifles. I'd say probably one in ten homes have a gun of any description in it...if that. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

10-30-2006, 09:08 PM	#13
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	I was the sole reporter for 3 weeklies in the San Luis Valley. I am, in fact, arguing for the sake of arguing. One week they sold an extra ad and I had to fill up 4 pages at the last minute. I dug out the old issues from the morgue (a shelf in the back room) and created a feature called "100 years ago in the Del Norte Prospector" and copied from that issue verbatim. It was even more boring than the new stuff. Also, I stole a couple of stories from the Monte Vista and Center papers and put them in the South Fork and Creede editions. I was up for 36 hours trying to finish it in time. The front page story was about the progress of the highway project on Wolf Creek Pass, and it featured a picture of a bulldozer. I would've given my eyeteeth for an AP feed, but it was all the way in Alamosa. This was pre-internet days, too I was going to be a stringer for the Rocky Mountain News, but my publisher was an idiot and wouldn't let me because he thought they wanted to siphon off his ad revenue I read "real" papers, and the front sections are usually pretty good unless they're the same old tired conservative bashing. Even Le Monde -- just to get the frog version of our Democratic Party's talking points. But I stand by most of my numbers. There is no fluff as diabetic as the NYT society pages. I'd rather read about a small town guy who finally pulled together the loan to open his fishing shop. That I can relate to. Not "Mrs. Covington-Smythe (nee Walford) enjoys the companionship of chairman of the Committee to Resurrect Flapper Hats for AIDS in Africa Blansfield Xavier DuPont, of the Wallingshirefordbury DuPonts. A good time was had by all at the event, which cost $50,000 to attend and featured a cash bar." __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

10-30-2006, 09:36 PM	#14
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	Good locals are a thing of beauty, though. Ed what'sisname in the Salida paper is a good old fashioned independent. And not as in the party, but in that he's sick of these government idiots telling him whether or what he can smoke. Quinlan. Ed Quinlan. He's going to hell, but I love him anyway and will put in a good word should he not come to Jesus in time. The vibe of that whole valley really appeals to me, and will be my first house-shoppng destination if the band doesn't take off soon. Tonight;s typing lube: Ambien. just so you aren't surprised by whatever comes out in the next 10 minutes or so. Dem is some good legal drugs, weezy. But I don't stoned-love Ed Quillian, I love him period. In all his unwashed mountain crazy man glory. I really miss the southwest at the moment. Once you life there, it becomes part of you. Just like the plants must dig deep to find water, and when they pull up and move on, a little piece of em stays right where he at. I'm searching for that moment where I remember something that happened that was so so definitive of the place and its people. When one that is strong enough comes up, I'm comin home. Damn bears in my garbage, woodstove running out of wood, crazy guys with guns up in the hills loading up for the big revolution (which would end after a brisk 5 mile chase, when they could no longer raise their white greassy leg/bag of lard and bowlinballs, even to keep from pissin on em. These men become "Independent" and go back to non-anarchist jobs that payy them well. Allis well for a season, the boys they are in high spirits. Then someone finds some damn ol thing on the fuckin interweb, prints it out and brings it to the bbar. He sits gingerly, as would a statesman of his calibre, and orders, and I quote, "just red is fine with me. If it's red, it's good" Here's a red beer: thanks. sip sip ayoaaaaaaaauuu KnOE what this is about, dont' you run froom or porblems in Irak. But that.......get ready for it........is NOT the REAL Problem! We have spaceships that regularly kill our cattle and possiblu takd our babies tToward the end of my tenure, I was going to run that series. "The BatShit Freakazoid LSD tabbin, alien watchers of the SLV" Witha guest appearence of ashaman from some inbred little maybe-tribe, but the families involved kicked his dad out a long time ago. What story am i telling again? Ed Quinlan. Yah I like that guy. Good commentator and always always always looking out for is peooplsez __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh Last edited by mrnoodle; 10-30-2006 at 09:39 PM.

10-30-2006, 11:09 PM	#15
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	That is my problem with the whole thing. I move from the country to a smallish town and a bunch of idiots who have never held a gun think it is a good thing to get rid of them. My side arm was used on the ranch plenty of times, as I had posted before, against varmints and, unfortunately, pulled against poachers when needed. You try and call 911 and you get an hour wait... it just cannot be done. You have to take care of these things yourself. But that is true in your home with an intruder in the city as well. People who don't know what they are talking about need not speak on a subject. You are right about one thing, guns will not be taken... it is a pipe-dream.

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