eBook dis-satisfaction

hideouse · 12-23-2006, 07:40 AM

Being a complete fool, or very nearly so, i paid for an ebook, assuming it would be like a paper book in that i could carry ot from 'puter to 'puter if i so desired, after all, i paid for it. NOT SO! I made the error of downloading the thing on my work station meaning i can only see it at work and when IT gets around to wiping and reloading the os of this pc i'll lose the book in question and not be given a replacement!
The very idea pisses me off and i want to find a way to at least print the damn thing onto paper so I won't lose it when the hard drive gets replaced. But the format of the book is not an 81/2 by 11 sheet. This sucks.
ANy body got any tips on how i can at least back the thing up or print hard copy?
Thanks,
Martin

Griff · 12-23-2006, 07:45 AM

That is irritating. You need somebody somebody smarter than me.

Flint · 12-23-2006, 08:31 AM

I have no help to offer, but I will feel outraged with you.

Apparently, digital formats are not a new, more convenient way to deliver products. They are in fact a way to severly limit the quality of "ownership" that a consumer has after exchanging their hard-earned money for something which is claimed to be for sale. If you purchase a book from Barnes & Noble, you can take it anywhere you want, and show it to whoever you want, you can give it away to charity, or cut it up with scissors and make a collage. This is entirely expected, and has been from the dawn of time, because you paid your fucking money for it - it's yours now (YOU BOUGHT IT)!!! This basic premise has ceased to apply, in many situations. A "new way" of doing things has arrived.

The physical, mechanical products (cars, toaster ovens) we purchase are designed to fail, necessitating replacement. And the digital products we purchase are similarly designed to fail, or more accurately, designed not to deliver what an unsuspecting consumer thinks they promise to deliver.

Oh, and (doesn't help you this time) I think they sell audio books packaged with an internal player, although I don't know if this is cost effective.

lumberjim · 12-23-2006, 08:38 AM

what is the file type? ext? maybe you can find a file converter?

12-23-2006, 10:35 AM

Take a pic of each screen, copy it to a jpeg and convert it to a file that you can move to another pc.

Ibby · 12-23-2006, 11:16 AM

Or just download uTorrent and download books.
So far I've downloaded...

Kalil Gibran
4000 pages of Asimov
nearly a hundred Heinlen books
all of Terry Pratchett's books
the Bible
all of Neil Gaiman's books
Orson Scott Card's Ender series
all of Douglas Adams' books
two George Orwell books
all of Kurt Vonnegut's books
a Michael Crichton book

...And more tonight, if i think of any.

lumberjim · 12-23-2006, 11:40 AM

will it allow a cut and paste into word?

wolf · 12-23-2006, 01:32 PM

You want to talk ebook dissatisfaction ... I'll bet you didn't pay $250 for one of these.

It's the most beautifully cool paperweight I own.

MaggieL · 12-23-2006, 04:12 PM

We have a scrutload of open-format ebooks on our household network; most of them harvested from torrents. In a related development, my Abacus PalmOS WristPDA has been retired in favor of a Treo 680 with unlimited data plan.

It rocks hard. Cellphone, web browser, media player, PDA, ebook reader, digital camera, audio recorder, all in a single gadget.

wolf · 12-23-2006, 07:21 PM

With an itty bitty screen.

MaggieL · 12-23-2006, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf

With an itty bitty screen.

It looks huge next to the watch. :-)

If I want to read on a big screen, I use my lappy, 8" x 13". Or the 19" LCD on my Linux box.

Bit the Treo is with me all the time, and I can grab more material no matter where I am, or drop in another SD card. Having the phone integrated with the PalmOS calendering and address book stuff is a big win. I can even talk to machines on our home network.

It also has Gmail and Google Maps, spreadsheet, games, etc, etc, etc.

hideouse · 12-24-2006, 06:36 AM

The "book" i'm dealing with is essentially a scan of Russel Bourke's publication of schematics and text of his engine design, a very neat idea. When i try to copy the images they show up as bitmap. I find that i can copy them into Kodak Imaging for Windows. This is a big imrovement; Previous attempts to print from within the eBook application cut off the right margin of the pages of both the blueprints and the text pages.
It's still awfully unweildy and a pain in the ass.

Edit: been playing with this and i can print (finally!) the graphics, that is the engine drawings. The text i still cannot print without the margin being cut off. Previouse attempts to deal with the seller have left me unwilling to ask him for help. After all, he thinks this crippleware is a _good_ thing, and fair.
second edit:
LJ, the engine drawings show up as bitmaps, the text document saves as print files. The bitmap drawings i can use in kodak image viewer. The text doc i cannot do anything but simply print them, and they come out with the right margin cut off.
Poo.

mbpark · 12-24-2006, 08:42 AM

Have you tried to print this out using CutePDF?

CutePDF is a free version of the Acrobat printer which installs itself as a printer and allows you to make PDF files from anything.

It's an awesome program, and I've even used it to make PDFs of Visio diagrams and Print Screens (from MS paint).

I also find it quite strange that Microsoft is building in roughly the same technology into Vista (trusted path) that has been used on Top Secret /SCI workstations by the US and foreign governments. This incident reminds me of that.

At least with the TS workstations you knowingly sign your life away before you use them.

Elspode · 12-25-2006, 11:09 AM

The ultimate goal of new media formats is, in my opinion, to try to force the buying public to repurchase the same product every time technology changes. I've got a thousand DVDs, but they're a paltry 420 lines. Blu-Ray will give me a real 1020 lines of rez on a high-def TV...and so on and so on...

It is all about separating you from your money. But then, it is hard to argue with the fact that HiDef pictures are enormously superior to regular NTSC standard analogue TV.

Sigh.

Flint · 12-25-2006, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elspode

...enormously superior...

But in what sense? If the goal of technology is simply to be technology then we could sit around and stare at the owners manual of expensive products, and marvel at the specs (is that where the emphasis belongs?). If the goal of a TV is to be a monitor to display a series of images designed to evoke emotional respsonse while telling a story, then 25% better hardware isn't going to improve that basic premise. It could be argued that higher resolutions and more lifelike colors could "fool" our brain into "being there" but the question is: did we find movies un-enjoyable 5 years ago? 10 years ago? 50 years ago? If we didn't know a "better" picture was available we wouldn't be complaining about an "old" TV. In fact, the latest TV technologies display an image that contains more detail than the human brain is designed to process - visual technologies have progressed into the realm of audiophile electronics, where thousands of dollars cannot produce an audible difference to the human ear.

12-23-2006, 07:40 AM	#1
hideouse Coronation Incarnate Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 91	eBook dis-satisfaction Being a complete fool, or very nearly so, i paid for an ebook, assuming it would be like a paper book in that i could carry ot from 'puter to 'puter if i so desired, after all, i paid for it. NOT SO! I made the error of downloading the thing on my work station meaning i can only see it at work and when IT gets around to wiping and reloading the os of this pc i'll lose the book in question and not be given a replacement! The very idea pisses me off and i want to find a way to at least print the damn thing onto paper so I won't lose it when the hard drive gets replaced. But the format of the book is not an 81/2 by 11 sheet. This sucks. ANy body got any tips on how i can at least back the thing up or print hard copy? Thanks, Martin __________________ If you need a straight line, I've usually got a few to spare.

12-23-2006, 07:45 AM	#2
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	That is irritating. You need somebody somebody smarter than me. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

12-23-2006, 08:31 AM	#3
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I have no help to offer, but I will feel outraged with you. Apparently, digital formats are not a new, more convenient way to deliver products. They are in fact a way to severly limit the quality of "ownership" that a consumer has after exchanging their hard-earned money for something which is claimed to be for sale. If you purchase a book from Barnes & Noble, you can take it anywhere you want, and show it to whoever you want, you can give it away to charity, or cut it up with scissors and make a collage. This is entirely expected, and has been from the dawn of time, because you paid your fucking money for it - it's yours now (YOU BOUGHT IT)!!! This basic premise has ceased to apply, in many situations. A "new way" of doing things has arrived. The physical, mechanical products (cars, toaster ovens) we purchase are designed to fail, necessitating replacement. And the digital products we purchase are similarly designed to fail, or more accurately, designed not to deliver what an unsuspecting consumer thinks they promise to deliver. Oh, and (doesn't help you this time) I think they sell audio books packaged with an internal player, although I don't know if this is cost effective. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

12-23-2006, 08:38 AM	#4
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	what is the file type? ext? maybe you can find a file converter? __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

12-23-2006, 11:16 AM	#6
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Or just download uTorrent and download books. So far I've downloaded... Kalil Gibran 4000 pages of Asimov nearly a hundred Heinlen books all of Terry Pratchett's books the Bible all of Neil Gaiman's books Orson Scott Card's Ender series all of Douglas Adams' books two George Orwell books all of Kurt Vonnegut's books a Michael Crichton book ...And more tonight, if i think of any. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

12-23-2006, 10:35 AM	#5
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Take a pic of each screen, copy it to a jpeg and convert it to a file that you can move to another pc.

12-23-2006, 11:40 AM	#7
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	will it allow a cut and paste into word? __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

12-23-2006, 01:32 PM	#8
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	You want to talk ebook dissatisfaction ... I'll bet you didn't pay $250 for one of these. It's the most beautifully cool paperweight I own. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

12-23-2006, 04:12 PM	#9
MaggieL in the Hour of Scampering Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Jeffersonville PA (15 mi NW of Philadelphia) Posts: 4,060	We have a scrutload of open-format ebooks on our household network; most of them harvested from torrents. In a related development, my Abacus PalmOS WristPDA has been retired in favor of a Treo 680 with unlimited data plan. It rocks hard. Cellphone, web browser, media player, PDA, ebook reader, digital camera, audio recorder, all in a single gadget. __________________ "Neither can his Mind be thought to be in Tune,whose words do jarre; nor his reason In frame, whose sentence is preposterous..." Last edited by MaggieL; 12-23-2006 at 04:16 PM.

12-23-2006, 07:21 PM	#10
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	With an itty bitty screen. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

12-24-2006, 06:36 AM	#12
hideouse Coronation Incarnate Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 91	eBook bitching. The "book" i'm dealing with is essentially a scan of Russel Bourke's publication of schematics and text of his engine design, a very neat idea. When i try to copy the images they show up as bitmap. I find that i can copy them into Kodak Imaging for Windows. This is a big imrovement; Previous attempts to print from within the eBook application cut off the right margin of the pages of both the blueprints and the text pages. It's still awfully unweildy and a pain in the ass. Edit: been playing with this and i can print (finally!) the graphics, that is the engine drawings. The text i still cannot print without the margin being cut off. Previouse attempts to deal with the seller have left me unwilling to ask him for help. After all, he thinks this crippleware is a _good_ thing, and fair. second edit: LJ, the engine drawings show up as bitmaps, the text document saves as print files. The bitmap drawings i can use in kodak image viewer. The text doc i cannot do anything but simply print them, and they come out with the right margin cut off. Poo. __________________ If you need a straight line, I've usually got a few to spare. Last edited by hideouse; 12-24-2006 at 08:33 AM.

12-24-2006, 08:42 AM	#13
mbpark Lecturer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 761	Will CutePDF work? Have you tried to print this out using CutePDF? CutePDF is a free version of the Acrobat printer which installs itself as a printer and allows you to make PDF files from anything. It's an awesome program, and I've even used it to make PDFs of Visio diagrams and Print Screens (from MS paint). I also find it quite strange that Microsoft is building in roughly the same technology into Vista (trusted path) that has been used on Top Secret /SCI workstations by the US and foreign governments. This incident reminds me of that. At least with the TS workstations you knowingly sign your life away before you use them.

12-25-2006, 11:09 AM	#14
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	The ultimate goal of new media formats is, in my opinion, to try to force the buying public to repurchase the same product every time technology changes. I've got a thousand DVDs, but they're a paltry 420 lines. Blu-Ray will give me a real 1020 lines of rez on a high-def TV...and so on and so on... It is all about separating you from your money. But then, it is hard to argue with the fact that HiDef pictures are enormously superior to regular NTSC standard analogue TV. Sigh. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

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