1984

piercehawkeye45 · 12-28-2006, 01:37 AM

I just read this book and thought it was very good.

I love the quotes:
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

They seem not contradict eachother but they make perfect sense in the book. Greatly reccommend the book to anyone. Any comments?

zippyt · 12-28-2006, 01:58 AM

1984,
I was in So Cal in the USMC
War is Peace a nessary Evil
Freedom is Slavery Well if you feel that way go find a dictatership to live in
Ignorance is Strength nice to not to have to worry about it , ain't it ???

Sundae · 12-28-2006, 04:39 AM

***SPOILER***
(just being polite in case anyone hasn't read it)

I first read this book when I was too young to fully appreciate the political content, but even then it was a damn good read. When the voice from the hidden telescreen tells Julia snd Winston, "You are the dead" it shocked me so profoundly I dropped the book.

Back in the 80s, everything seemed to be being abbreviated, or spelled in a simplistic way (Kwik-Fit for example). Of all the small details in the book, it was this that made me worry that the book was prophectic after all.

Spexxvet · 12-28-2006, 07:38 AM

And David Bowie's album of the same name is double plus good.

wolf · 12-28-2006, 10:39 AM

I like the Eurythmics Album for the movie, the one that didn't end up being used by the filmmaker.

It's an intense book, one of my favorites. I reread it every few years to see if my reaction to it has changed.

Sundae · 12-28-2006, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

I like the Eurythmics Album for the movie, the one that didn't end up being used by the filmmaker.

I had to look this up, as I remembered the soundtrack from watching the film (in an English Literature lesson - how cool is that?) but knew I could be wrong - it's a long time ago now....

According to www.annie-lennox.com, most of it was used:

Quote:

In September 1984, Eurythmics were approached by Virgin Films and asked if they would be willing to record the soundtrack to Michael Radford's Interpretation of George's Orwell '1984'. Even though 90% of their work was used in the film, the director objected as he has already commissioned music from Dominic Muldowney and thus complained.

Iggy · 12-28-2006, 05:25 PM

I read that book and did an abstract of a case-book on it for my high school senior english project. It was a very good book, and as I had to do the case book on it I had to really think about what the book was saying. I would recommend it to anyone. And to think, I only picked that book because it was the year I was born. I hadn't heard about it before. Fascinating.

glatt · 12-29-2006, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Iggy

And to think, I only picked that book because it was the year I was born.

Jesus. What a way to make a guy feel old. 1984 was the FUTURE, not the past.

AgentApathy · 12-28-2006, 05:49 PM

I read that book in 1984 (I read everything I could get my hands on when I was in middle school) and thought to myself at the time how horrible it would be to live that way. Now, 22 years later, we're getting closer and closer to it in the US.

If you haven't read it, please do. It may result in your being a lot more interested in how your government holds your fate in their hands and more actively involved in changing the trend toward totalitarianism in the US.

piercehawkeye45 · 12-28-2006, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AgentApathy

I read that book in 1984 (I read everything I could get my hands on when I was in middle school) and thought to myself at the time how horrible it would be to live that way. Now, 22 years later, we're getting closer and closer to it in the US.

Now I want you to write a three page essay on why America is the best country in the world. After that I want you to write a two page essay on why democracy is the best system of government. Then go watch some MTV and you will realize why America is so great.

DanaC · 01-01-2007, 12:57 PM

I loved 1984. Awesome book. We covered it in English and I just became so utterly absorbed in it. Then when Eurythmics did the music for the film I was delighted! I was a big Eurythmics fan back then *grins*.

One of the thing I love about 1984, was that Orwell allowed the ending to be...disturbing and bleak. I think it's one of the best examples of a very British kind of vision.

richlevy · 01-01-2007, 01:15 PM

Of course, what's interesting is that the techniques used in 1984, if I remember them correctly, did not meet the initial definition of torture that the U.S. proposed between 2001-2004.

Phil · 01-01-2007, 01:17 PM

Orwell got the date wrong, but as it was written in 1948 and he changed the last 2 digits around, he got closer than anyone else has.
Excellent book about ruling by fear to the point where a man betrays the woman he loves.

"underneath the spreading chestnut tree; where i sold you and you sold me."

"DO IT TO JULIA!"

kerosene · 01-01-2007, 02:05 PM

We recently saw a film adaptation in a little blackbox theatre and quite enjoyed it.

I read this book a few years ago, also and found myself deeply disturbed for several weeks afterwards. I think it was good for me, though. It altered my perspective.

Urbane Guerrilla · 01-02-2007, 03:16 AM

1984 was one of my inoculations against collectivist totalitarianism.

For a look at a subtler, less Soviet-style hellish dystopia, try Brave New World as a companion volume. They are like two bookends.

12-28-2006, 01:37 AM	#1
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	1984 I just read this book and thought it was very good. I love the quotes: War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is Strength They seem not contradict eachother but they make perfect sense in the book. Greatly reccommend the book to anyone. Any comments?

12-28-2006, 01:58 AM	#2
zippyt LONG LIVE KING ZIPPY! per Feetz Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 7,661	1984, I was in So Cal in the USMC War is Peace a nessary Evil Freedom is Slavery Well if you feel that way go find a dictatership to live in Ignorance is Strength nice to not to have to worry about it , ain't it ??? __________________ "Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get. " Brother Dave Gardner

12-28-2006, 04:39 AM	#3
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	*SPOILER* (just being polite in case anyone hasn't read it) I first read this book when I was too young to fully appreciate the political content, but even then it was a damn good read. When the voice from the hidden telescreen tells Julia snd Winston, "You are the dead" it shocked me so profoundly I dropped the book. Back in the 80s, everything seemed to be being abbreviated, or spelled in a simplistic way (Kwik-Fit for example). Of all the small details in the book, it was this that made me worry that the book was prophectic after all. __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

12-28-2006, 07:38 AM	#4
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	And David Bowie's album of the same name is double plus good. __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

12-28-2006, 10:39 AM	#5
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	I like the Eurythmics Album for the movie, the one that didn't end up being used by the filmmaker. It's an intense book, one of my favorites. I reread it every few years to see if my reaction to it has changed. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

12-28-2006, 05:25 PM	#7
Iggy Back and ready to tart up the place Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas Posts: 850	I read that book and did an abstract of a case-book on it for my high school senior english project. It was a very good book, and as I had to do the case book on it I had to really think about what the book was saying. I would recommend it to anyone. And to think, I only picked that book because it was the year I was born. I hadn't heard about it before. Fascinating. __________________ Chock-full of naughty goodness.

12-28-2006, 05:49 PM	#9
AgentApathy I just look like I'm listening Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 39	I read that book in 1984 (I read everything I could get my hands on when I was in middle school) and thought to myself at the time how horrible it would be to live that way. Now, 22 years later, we're getting closer and closer to it in the US. If you haven't read it, please do. It may result in your being a lot more interested in how your government holds your fate in their hands and more actively involved in changing the trend toward totalitarianism in the US.

01-01-2007, 12:57 PM	#11
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	I loved 1984. Awesome book. We covered it in English and I just became so utterly absorbed in it. Then when Eurythmics did the music for the film I was delighted! I was a big Eurythmics fan back then grins. One of the thing I love about 1984, was that Orwell allowed the ending to be...disturbing and bleak. I think it's one of the best examples of a very British kind of vision.

01-01-2007, 01:15 PM	#12
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	Of course, what's interesting is that the techniques used in 1984, if I remember them correctly, did not meet the initial definition of torture that the U.S. proposed between 2001-2004. __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

01-01-2007, 01:17 PM	#13
Phil Hoodoo Guru Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 304	Orwell got the date wrong, but as it was written in 1948 and he changed the last 2 digits around, he got closer than anyone else has. Excellent book about ruling by fear to the point where a man betrays the woman he loves. "underneath the spreading chestnut tree; where i sold you and you sold me." "DO IT TO JULIA!" __________________ Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is unable to believe things for which there is no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of a convenient means of feeling superior to others.

01-01-2007, 02:05 PM	#14
kerosene Touring the facilities Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The plains of Colorado Posts: 3,476	We recently saw a film adaptation in a little blackbox theatre and quite enjoyed it. I read this book a few years ago, also and found myself deeply disturbed for several weeks afterwards. I think it was good for me, though. It altered my perspective.

01-02-2007, 03:16 AM	#15
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	1984 was one of my inoculations against collectivist totalitarianism. For a look at a subtler, less Soviet-style hellish dystopia, try Brave New World as a companion volume. They are like two bookends. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

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