Universal Healthcare

theotherguy · 05-29-2007, 01:46 PM

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...l=chi-news-hed

Agree? Disagree?

05-29-2007, 02:37 PM

This all sounds very familiar... they never mean it.

Flint · 05-29-2007, 02:39 PM

My response.

theotherguy · 05-29-2007, 04:06 PM

Did you intend for that to be a link?

Happy Monkey · 05-29-2007, 04:23 PM

That plan actually sounds like it could pass. Leaving private insurers in place leaves the capitalist pressures in place for lower prices. Unfortunately, it also seems to leave the capitalist pressures in place that have people "covered", but don't cover the specific things that the "covered" people need. It's not perfect, but politicians who understand the need and the public desire for universal coverage, but don't want to be labeled socailist, could probably support it.

05-29-2007, 04:29 PM

Agree, if I get to pick my Dr, always... and if my Dr says I need something I get it, no questions asked.

theotherguy · 05-29-2007, 04:37 PM

I don't think there will every be a perfect system. However, as one who has dealt with a tremendous amount of health care red tape, I know there is a better system out there. Most plans seems to go to far the the socialist side for my taste. I am a big fan of the free market system, but this is not like selling cars or houses or widgets. There are real life or death circumstances involved.

Happy Monkey · 05-29-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Agree, if I get to pick my Dr, always... and if my Dr says I need something I get it, no questions asked.

I don't think that that could pass. Too many politicians are in insurance's pocket. As long as health insurance companies exist, they will want to choose your treatments for you. Their argument, which is a valid one, would be doctors going wild prescribing unneccessary stuff.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-29-2007, 06:27 PM

If you think the government can run a health care system, take a closer look at the V.A.

TheMercenary · 05-29-2007, 09:20 PM

Socialized medicine will bankrupt this nation. You think Social Security is expensive? and it is still not completely funded. All the feel good political posturing by the up-and-coming canidates is an attempt to get elected. President's can't pass universal health care, only Congress can, a President only puts a pen to what comes out of Congress. Choices in your health care with these systems? forget it. There will be none. People get pissed off when they sit in a doctors office or ER for a few hours, you ain't seen anything yet. As it was with HMO's and Hitlery's grand scheme for healthcare reform in the 90's the American public may get just what they ask for, and there will be no turning back.

05-30-2007, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

I don't think that that could pass. Too many politicians are in insurance's pocket. As long as health insurance companies exist, they will want to choose your treatments for you. Their argument, which is a valid one, would be doctors going wild prescribing unneccessary stuff.

They have no reason to do that once you take the pharmaceuticals out of the picture.

piercehawkeye45 · 05-30-2007, 11:09 AM

The best healthcares in the world are single payer government runned. It is stupid to think otherwise. But, communism did look good on paper...

TheMercenary · 05-30-2007, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

The best healthcares in the world are single payer government runned.

Based on what facts?

Happy Monkey · 05-30-2007, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

They have no reason to do that once you take the pharmaceuticals out of the picture.

How would that happen?

piercehawkeye45 · 05-30-2007, 06:44 PM

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762380.html

This just touches the surface but we are not even close to the top in lowest infant mortality rates and life expentancy. The ones close to the top, Japan, Sweden, etc, all have socialized health care.

Everyone is given health care in those countries too. No one will die in the streets because they are poor and can't pay for the treatment or go bankrupt from having to pay the fees.

05-29-2007, 01:46 PM	#1
theotherguy no not that other guy, the other one Join Date: May 2007 Location: TN Posts: 640	Universal Healthcare http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...l=chi-news-hed Agree? Disagree?

05-29-2007, 02:39 PM	#3
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05-29-2007, 04:23 PM	#5
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	That plan actually sounds like it could pass. Leaving private insurers in place leaves the capitalist pressures in place for lower prices. Unfortunately, it also seems to leave the capitalist pressures in place that have people "covered", but don't cover the specific things that the "covered" people need. It's not perfect, but politicians who understand the need and the public desire for universal coverage, but don't want to be labeled socailist, could probably support it. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

05-29-2007, 06:27 PM	#9
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	If you think the government can run a health care system, take a closer look at the V.A. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-29-2007, 09:20 PM	#10
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Socialized medicine will bankrupt this nation. You think Social Security is expensive? and it is still not completely funded. All the feel good political posturing by the up-and-coming canidates is an attempt to get elected. President's can't pass universal health care, only Congress can, a President only puts a pen to what comes out of Congress. Choices in your health care with these systems? forget it. There will be none. People get pissed off when they sit in a doctors office or ER for a few hours, you ain't seen anything yet. As it was with HMO's and Hitlery's grand scheme for healthcare reform in the 90's the American public may get just what they ask for, and there will be no turning back. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

05-29-2007, 02:37 PM	#2
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	This all sounds very familiar... they never mean it.

05-29-2007, 04:06 PM	#4
theotherguy no not that other guy, the other one Join Date: May 2007 Location: TN Posts: 640	Did you intend for that to be a link?

05-29-2007, 04:29 PM	#6
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Agree, if I get to pick my Dr, always... and if my Dr says I need something I get it, no questions asked.

05-29-2007, 04:37 PM	#7
theotherguy no not that other guy, the other one Join Date: May 2007 Location: TN Posts: 640	I don't think there will every be a perfect system. However, as one who has dealt with a tremendous amount of health care red tape, I know there is a better system out there. Most plans seems to go to far the the socialist side for my taste. I am a big fan of the free market system, but this is not like selling cars or houses or widgets. There are real life or death circumstances involved.

05-30-2007, 11:09 AM	#12
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	The best healthcares in the world are single payer government runned. It is stupid to think otherwise. But, communism did look good on paper...

05-30-2007, 06:44 PM	#15
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762380.html This just touches the surface but we are not even close to the top in lowest infant mortality rates and life expentancy. The ones close to the top, Japan, Sweden, etc, all have socialized health care. Everyone is given health care in those countries too. No one will die in the streets because they are poor and can't pay for the treatment or go bankrupt from having to pay the fees.

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