The lady did protest too much...?

DanaC · 09-07-2007, 02:56 AM

The mother of Madelein McCann, the missing girl whose parents sought an audience with the Pope, is to be named a suspect today by the Portugese police.

When I first heard the reports of her going missing, I thought My God those poor parents, what a nightmare. I felt for them when people were lambasting them for leaving their litle girl alone that night. I thought it was a stupid thing to do, but even good parents can do dumb stuff sometimes. Doesn't mean they deserve their pain.

Then I watched them appealing for information and thought there was something a little cookie about their reactions. She in particular seemed to be...I don't know, difficult to define...kind of 'getting off' on the drama and cameras. Then when they were constantly on my television and in my newspaper and eventually when they sought an audience with the Pope, I was thinking "They've done it".

I said it to my mum months ago. Now it looks like they might actually be responsible. Their little girl was never abducted, she died in their apartment. How and why and at whose hands is yet to be determined...

According to some reports, neighbours in the same apartment block said they heard Maddy crying sometimes for long periods of time whilst the parents were out (that wsn't the only night they 'left' her). The same neighbours heard arguments and shouting and then Maddy crying on another occassion.

I think the thing that really, really, made me doubt them though, was when they went to Rome, leaving their two younger children behind. If you had just lost a child to abduction...would you let your two remaining toddlers out of your sight for a second?

I am convinced they killed that little girl, either by accident or design.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6982969.stm

xoxoxoBruce · 09-07-2007, 04:51 AM

JonBenet Ramsey?

DucksNuts · 09-07-2007, 05:34 AM

A dingo got that little girl.

I came to the same conclusion about Lindy Chamberlain, all those years ago.

tw · 09-07-2007, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

I think the thing that really, really, made me doubt them though, was when they went to Rome, leaving their two younger children behind. If you had just lost a child to abduction...would you let your two remaining toddlers out of your sight for a second?

That reasoning holds no weight with me. Without details, it also implies that they left their kids in a much safer place with trusted family or friends because traveling has become so dangerous for their kids.

Not included in that reasoning is why they went to Rome and why both went. But that 'what could be of major significance' was not provided in your reasoning.

Interesting was her interrogation for 11 hours within a day after forensic evidence arrived. Then she was named as a suspect in only 48 hours after facts were available. Whereas you see something significant in where those two kids stayed, to me, that is nothing more than "Paul is dead because he was barefoot on Abbey Road". It says nothing especially without significant detail.

What is significant is how much interrogation she was subject to and that she was named a suspect so quickly after facts were made available to authorities. Only that is sufficient, to me, to raise an eyebrow. BBC also said the husband was to be interrogated next; today.

Typically only one in three murders is every solved. Appreciate how much that leaves to opinions based mostly in speculation.

lookout123 · 09-07-2007, 12:18 PM

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"Paul is dead because he was barefoot on Abbey Road".

I've seen this a couple of times now. Is this going to replace one of your other DLMisms, or is this just being added to the copy, paste, and regurgitate list?

queequeger · 09-07-2007, 12:49 PM

Zing!

Clodfobble · 09-07-2007, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

Interesting was her interrogation for 11 hours within a day after forensic evidence arrived. Then she was named as a suspect in only 48 hours after facts were available.

Allegedly, the forensic evidence came about because Britain sent crime scene dogs after being dissatisfied with the process of the Portuguese police. These dogs allegedly smelled blood inside the couple's rental car. The car was rented three weeks after her disappearance, but the theory is that they had hidden the body until then and just recently moved or disposed of it. DNA tests on the car have been performed but the results have not been released.

wolf · 09-07-2007, 01:36 PM

I'll wait till the evidence is in before passing judgment, thanks.

There could be multiple reasons that mom's eyes look dead in the video where she pleads with the kidnappers to return her child.

Flint · 09-07-2007, 01:39 PM

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According to some reports, neighbours in the same apartment block said they heard Maddy crying sometimes for long periods of time whilst the parents were out (that wsn't the only night they 'left' her). The same neighbours heard arguments and shouting and then Maddy crying on another occassion.

Christ Almighty, the baby cried? (How did the busybody neighbors know where they were, by listening?) A crying baby, who ever heard of such a thing? And, what's this, they argued? What kind of couple has arguments? I say, based on this, THROW THE BOOK AT THEM! Case closed.

DanaC · 09-07-2007, 01:48 PM

Oh I realise this doesn't in any way count as 'evidence':P . I had an instinct and am looking to explain that instinct and the reasons I put forward are the things that sparked suspicion. Any one of them could be explained away easily. It's the combination that gives me pause for thought. That and ....how many times have you seen the big appeal only to have the person appealing turn out to be the killer? The descriptions of her being on her own crying give the impression she was left for long periods alone on more than one occassion and the argument that was overheard was very loud and involved loud bangs and a distressed child. Could be something and nothing. As could the business of leaving the twins with their grandparents whilst seeking an audience with the Pope...I just can't imagine letting those twin boys out of my sight having had one child snatched from her bedroom. They left them somewhere safe...but I cannot imagine that I would believe anywhere but at my side to be safe enough at that point.

We can't actually know at this stage...But I've had the nagging feeling that something isn't right since about two weeks after she was reported missing. There was just something about the way they were, something that felt staged. Like Wolf says there could be multiple reasons for that.

Hopefully I am wrong.

Flint · 09-07-2007, 01:50 PM

I can appreciate a good hunch; but I also know that the human brain is very good at drawing conclusions from random, meaningless data.

DanaC · 09-07-2007, 03:28 PM

Oh absolutely!

Actually I've been mulling since I posted that as to why I have such a strong feeling about; I don't normally jump to conclusions of guilt or innocence with people when I see stories in the news...but I do if I am watching/reading a murder mystery or detective story. In fact I am a pain in the arse to watch mystery shows with, unless i am actively trying to gag myself throughout :P It's a compulsion to solve the mystery before the story delivers the answer.

Of course, Maddy is (or was) a real kid and these are real people. I don't know how much coverage you guys got over there, but over here it was just constant for weeks, it was everywhere. Newspapers, radio, TV, people sending emails round to their whole address book 'raising awareness' etc. The whole thing started to take on an unreal quality. I guess I started responding to it like it was a murder mystery because it had become a media phenomenon.

Flint · 09-07-2007, 03:31 PM

I don't watch TV.

DanaC · 09-07-2007, 03:40 PM

I do

Flint · 09-07-2007, 03:41 PM

:::browbeats you about how I'm better than you:::

09-07-2007, 02:56 AM	#1
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	The lady did protest too much...? The mother of Madelein McCann, the missing girl whose parents sought an audience with the Pope, is to be named a suspect today by the Portugese police. When I first heard the reports of her going missing, I thought My God those poor parents, what a nightmare. I felt for them when people were lambasting them for leaving their litle girl alone that night. I thought it was a stupid thing to do, but even good parents can do dumb stuff sometimes. Doesn't mean they deserve their pain. Then I watched them appealing for information and thought there was something a little cookie about their reactions. She in particular seemed to be...I don't know, difficult to define...kind of 'getting off' on the drama and cameras. Then when they were constantly on my television and in my newspaper and eventually when they sought an audience with the Pope, I was thinking "They've done it". I said it to my mum months ago. Now it looks like they might actually be responsible. Their little girl was never abducted, she died in their apartment. How and why and at whose hands is yet to be determined... According to some reports, neighbours in the same apartment block said they heard Maddy crying sometimes for long periods of time whilst the parents were out (that wsn't the only night they 'left' her). The same neighbours heard arguments and shouting and then Maddy crying on another occassion. I think the thing that really, really, made me doubt them though, was when they went to Rome, leaving their two younger children behind. If you had just lost a child to abduction...would you let your two remaining toddlers out of your sight for a second? I am convinced they killed that little girl, either by accident or design. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6982969.stm

09-07-2007, 04:51 AM	#2
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	JonBenet Ramsey? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-07-2007, 12:49 PM	#6
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09-07-2007, 01:36 PM	#8
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	I'll wait till the evidence is in before passing judgment, thanks. There could be multiple reasons that mom's eyes look dead in the video where she pleads with the kidnappers to return her child. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

09-07-2007, 01:48 PM	#10
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Oh I realise this doesn't in any way count as 'evidence':P . I had an instinct and am looking to explain that instinct and the reasons I put forward are the things that sparked suspicion. Any one of them could be explained away easily. It's the combination that gives me pause for thought. That and ....how many times have you seen the big appeal only to have the person appealing turn out to be the killer? The descriptions of her being on her own crying give the impression she was left for long periods alone on more than one occassion and the argument that was overheard was very loud and involved loud bangs and a distressed child. Could be something and nothing. As could the business of leaving the twins with their grandparents whilst seeking an audience with the Pope...I just can't imagine letting those twin boys out of my sight having had one child snatched from her bedroom. They left them somewhere safe...but I cannot imagine that I would believe anywhere but at my side to be safe enough at that point. We can't actually know at this stage...But I've had the nagging feeling that something isn't right since about two weeks after she was reported missing. There was just something about the way they were, something that felt staged. Like Wolf says there could be multiple reasons for that. Hopefully I am wrong. Last edited by DanaC; 09-07-2007 at 01:53 PM.

09-07-2007, 05:34 AM	#3
DucksNuts Bitchy Little Brat Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 5,067	A dingo got that little girl. I came to the same conclusion about Lindy Chamberlain, all those years ago.

09-07-2007, 01:50 PM	#11
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I can appreciate a good hunch; but I also know that the human brain is very good at drawing conclusions from random, meaningless data. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

09-07-2007, 03:28 PM	#12
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Oh absolutely! Actually I've been mulling since I posted that as to why I have such a strong feeling about; I don't normally jump to conclusions of guilt or innocence with people when I see stories in the news...but I do if I am watching/reading a murder mystery or detective story. In fact I am a pain in the arse to watch mystery shows with, unless i am actively trying to gag myself throughout :P It's a compulsion to solve the mystery before the story delivers the answer. Of course, Maddy is (or was) a real kid and these are real people. I don't know how much coverage you guys got over there, but over here it was just constant for weeks, it was everywhere. Newspapers, radio, TV, people sending emails round to their whole address book 'raising awareness' etc. The whole thing started to take on an unreal quality. I guess I started responding to it like it was a murder mystery because it had become a media phenomenon.

09-07-2007, 03:31 PM	#13
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I don't watch TV. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

09-07-2007, 03:40 PM	#14
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	I do

09-07-2007, 03:41 PM	#15
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	:::browbeats you about how I'm better than you::: __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

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