click track jitters

Flint · 10-12-2007, 10:52 PM

The Praise and Worship leader dropped a bombshell in practice on Thursday: we're playing one of Sunday's songs to a tightly choreographed video. We practiced doing it by feel, but the collective urge to rush the chorus was too powerful.

I had to put my foot down. I said I'm practicing this song to a metronome, and I'm bringing the metronome on Sunday, and I'm playing TO the click track, and if y'all rush the beat I will have to IGNORE YOU and stay right where I am. 89 beats per minute. Be there or be square.

I've never played live to a click track before. It feels comfortable practicing at home, but I'm worried about the "live energy" aspect. We'll see.

Anyway, I know it will be good for us to leave our comfort zone. And...I can finally make good on my long-standing threat to bring in a metronome to resolve "perception of tempo" issues. People love to rush the space between notes.

limey · 10-13-2007, 11:10 AM

People love to rush the fast notes, too ...

lumberjim · 10-13-2007, 11:41 AM

this thread is begging to be cloned. I just don't have the time.

Elspode · 10-14-2007, 06:25 PM

Who the fuck puts down anything at 89 bpm?

Playing to click tracks is a skill all its own. I only do it when recording.

Clodfobble · 10-14-2007, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elspode

Who the fuck puts down anything at 89 bpm?

Jesus, clearly.

Pie · 10-14-2007, 06:48 PM

If I can get three beats with equal spacing in between, it's a miracle*.
(*have I mentioned I am a person without faith?)

Flint · 10-14-2007, 09:26 PM

For reasons that were impossible to resolve in the time we had to practice this morning, the click track thing didn't happen.

I'd click off the time, and almost immediately the band would launch off into a slightly different tempo. I tried turning my band monitor all the way off and turning the click all the way up (in headphones!) but I could still hear them through the plexiglass. Too much shit to process.

Here's what I ended up doing: I clicked off the tempo to the metronome, then I shut the click off and took control, manually. I watched the video to see where we needed to be, and wrangled the band the old-fashioned way. That way I could do my job without having to fight the machine.

The end result is that we nailed it dead on.

I had to make two or three adjustments, either dragging or rushing (almost imperceptibly) to keep us right on target with the video.

Flint · 10-14-2007, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elspode

Who the fuck puts down anything at 89 bpm?

See for yourself - this is the video.
Note: somebody built this video with their Sims 2 characters.

Actually not a bad song.

Quote:

He used to say, "Whoever dies with the most toys wins."
But if he loses his soul, what has he gained in the end?
I'll take a shack on the rock,
Over a castle in the sand.

The only mention of religion is the use of a Biblical parable. The subject itself is something I think about all the time.

I'm looking a picture on my wall right now that says "What will it profit a man if he gain the whole world and lose his soul" above a Muerto figurine.

lumberjim · 10-14-2007, 09:56 PM

you're getting weirder by the Sunday.

Flint · 10-14-2007, 10:08 PM

Dude, you're the dude that the song is about! You need Jeebus.

Undertoad · 10-14-2007, 10:13 PM

LJ makes baby jeebus cry!

Elspode · 10-14-2007, 11:35 PM

Enquiring minds want to know if Flint is praying to little bitty teeny baby Jesus?

Flint · 10-14-2007, 11:45 PM

I'm not deranged enough to "worship" or "pray to" another human being.

I mean, it sounds like he was a cool guy; but if he could see how he is represented today, he wouldn't know whether to laugh or cry.

Elspode · 10-15-2007, 09:10 PM

I was actually referencing "Talladega Nights - The Ballad of Ricky Bobby".

Flint · 10-16-2007, 09:02 AM

Quote:

...eight pound, six ounce, newborn baby Jesus, don’t even know a word yet, just a little infant, so cuddly, but still omnipotent...

10-12-2007, 10:52 PM	#1
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	click track jitters The Praise and Worship leader dropped a bombshell in practice on Thursday: we're playing one of Sunday's songs to a tightly choreographed video. We practiced doing it by feel, but the collective urge to rush the chorus was too powerful. I had to put my foot down. I said I'm practicing this song to a metronome, and I'm bringing the metronome on Sunday, and I'm playing TO the click track, and if y'all rush the beat I will have to IGNORE YOU and stay right where I am. 89 beats per minute. Be there or be square. I've never played live to a click track before. It feels comfortable practicing at home, but I'm worried about the "live energy" aspect. We'll see. Anyway, I know it will be good for us to leave our comfort zone. And...I can finally make good on my long-standing threat to bring in a metronome to resolve "perception of tempo" issues. People love to rush the space between notes. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-13-2007, 11:10 AM	#2
limey Encroaching on your decrees Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: An island within the south-west coast of Scotland Posts: 7,016	People love to rush the fast notes, too ... __________________ Living it up on the edge ... of civilisation, within the southwest coast of

10-13-2007, 11:41 AM	#3
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	this thread is begging to be cloned. I just don't have the time. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

10-14-2007, 06:25 PM	#4
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	Who the fuck puts down anything at 89 bpm? Playing to click tracks is a skill all its own. I only do it when recording. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

10-14-2007, 06:48 PM	#6
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	If I can get three beats with equal spacing in between, it's a miracle. (have I mentioned I am a person without faith?) __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

10-14-2007, 09:26 PM	#7
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	For reasons that were impossible to resolve in the time we had to practice this morning, the click track thing didn't happen. I'd click off the time, and almost immediately the band would launch off into a slightly different tempo. I tried turning my band monitor all the way off and turning the click all the way up (in headphones!) but I could still hear them through the plexiglass. Too much shit to process. Here's what I ended up doing: I clicked off the tempo to the metronome, then I shut the click off and took control, manually. I watched the video to see where we needed to be, and wrangled the band the old-fashioned way. That way I could do my job without having to fight the machine. The end result is that we nailed it dead on. I had to make two or three adjustments, either dragging or rushing (almost imperceptibly) to keep us right on target with the video. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio** Last edited by Flint; 10-14-2007 at 09:31 PM.

10-14-2007, 09:56 PM	#9
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	you're getting weirder by the Sunday. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

10-14-2007, 10:08 PM	#10
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Dude, you're the dude that the song is about! You need Jeebus. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-14-2007, 10:13 PM	#11
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	LJ makes baby jeebus cry!

10-14-2007, 11:35 PM	#12
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	Enquiring minds want to know if Flint is praying to little bitty teeny baby Jesus? __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

10-14-2007, 11:45 PM	#13
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I'm not deranged enough to "worship" or "pray to" another human being. I mean, it sounds like he was a cool guy; but if he could see how he is represented today, he wouldn't know whether to laugh or cry. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-15-2007, 09:10 PM	#14
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	I was actually referencing "Talladega Nights - The Ballad of Ricky Bobby". __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

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