Bali baddie talks

Undertoad · 10-20-2002, 12:28 PM

http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/23709.htm

The guy who probably ordered the Bali bombing is in custody, and here's what he had to say:

Asked if he had anything to say to the families who lost relatives in the blast, the 64-year-old Bashir said: "My message to the families is please convert to Islam as soon as possible."

"The second message is for Australia because you suffered the most: Please advise your government not to follow the U.S. policy because it will bring tragedy for your country," he said.

Two separate paragraphs, two motives. One, all infidels are possible targets until there are no remaining infidels. Two, every nation in the anti-terror coalition is a target, and there's the promise of more to come.

But even though the religious and political motives are clear, the infidels did it:

"The indications are Americans and Jews did it to justify the claims that Indonesia is a terrorist haven. What they mean by terrorists is Muslims. So to prove their theory they created the incident in Bali."

There's that weird honor-shame culture in effect again. "We did it because we hate the infidels and the infidels hate us. But... we didn't do it. THEY did it."

It's a strange situation: when hearing these cultures say "we didn't do it", our instinct is to take them at their word, because our own cultures respect individual responsibility and expect admission of guilt. But "we didn't do it" is an instinctive reaction to ANY charge in these cultures. We see this again and again: in the EgyptAir pilot suicide, in the Yemeni demand that the French tanker was NOT hit by terrorists, in the entire mideast's heartfelt belief that bin Laden simply could not have done it and that bin Laden's own tape was an enormous ruse.

And it reminds me of racism in my own culture: the repeated blaming of the "other" that comes from hate groups. "The blacks moved in and ruined things." "The Jewish-run media controls what gets out." "The dirty immigrants stole all our jobs."

Radical Islam, various "National Front" movements, and the KKK: alike in so many ways.

10-20-2002, 12:28 PM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Bali baddie talks http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/23709.htm The guy who probably ordered the Bali bombing is in custody, and here's what he had to say: Asked if he had anything to say to the families who lost relatives in the blast, the 64-year-old Bashir said: "My message to the families is please convert to Islam as soon as possible." "The second message is for Australia because you suffered the most: Please advise your government not to follow the U.S. policy because it will bring tragedy for your country," he said. Two separate paragraphs, two motives. One, all infidels are possible targets until there are no remaining infidels. Two, every nation in the anti-terror coalition is a target, and there's the promise of more to come. But even though the religious and political motives are clear, the infidels did it: "The indications are Americans and Jews did it to justify the claims that Indonesia is a terrorist haven. What they mean by terrorists is Muslims. So to prove their theory they created the incident in Bali." There's that weird honor-shame culture in effect again. "We did it because we hate the infidels and the infidels hate us. But... we didn't do it. THEY did it." It's a strange situation: when hearing these cultures say "we didn't do it", our instinct is to take them at their word, because our own cultures respect individual responsibility and expect admission of guilt. But "we didn't do it" is an instinctive reaction to ANY charge in these cultures. We see this again and again: in the EgyptAir pilot suicide, in the Yemeni demand that the French tanker was NOT hit by terrorists, in the entire mideast's heartfelt belief that bin Laden simply could not have done it and that bin Laden's own tape was an enormous ruse. And it reminds me of racism in my own culture: the repeated blaming of the "other" that comes from hate groups. "The blacks moved in and ruined things." "The Jewish-run media controls what gets out." "The dirty immigrants stole all our jobs." Radical Islam, various "National Front" movements, and the KKK: alike in so many ways.

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