Steady mobbin'

elSicomoro · 08-15-2011, 06:17 PM

From KansasCity.com today:

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Following mayhem Saturday night on the Country Club Plaza, Kansas City Mayor Sly James sent out a letter today about a possible new citywide curfew.

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The city’s current curfew is midnight on weekends and 11 p.m. the rest of the week. But talk of a possible 9 p.m. curfew gained traction after the three teens were injured. The mayor was at the Plaza assessing the crowd situation Saturday night, and his bodyguards pushed him to the ground as they heard shots ring out.

From NBC Philadelphia Saturday:

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Police say that 50 minors were picked up Friday night in Philly for violating the city's new curfew law.

A 9 p.m. curfew for anyone under the age of 18 began in the city.

It's part of an effort from Philadelphia Police to prevent teen mobs and the vandalism and violence that has come with them,

Apparently there were similar issues earlier this year in St. Louis' Delmar Loop...haven't heard much since.

The curfews are a good start, but only Band-Aids until the more serious and systemic issues are addressed.

Aliantha · 08-15-2011, 06:50 PM

Wow, I didn't know there were curfews for anyone in the US. Seems a bit regimented to say the least.

I hope it helps the situation though.

What does a curfew mean to young people with jobs that don't finish till after 9pm?

elSicomoro · 08-15-2011, 06:56 PM

I think most places in the US have curfews for kids...on very rare occasions, they're implemented for everyone during emergencies.

Generally, those with jobs are exempt so long as they're head home or to the job. I got pulled over a couple of times when I was a teenager and was let go because I was headed home from work.

Aliantha · 08-15-2011, 07:07 PM

Really? That's interesting. I can't imagine it would be policed all that much though surely? The cops must have better things to do.

Big Sarge · 08-15-2011, 11:00 PM

We have a 10:00 pm curfew for juveniles. Works great and really helps alcohol & drug offenses

zippyt · 08-15-2011, 11:22 PM

Ali , its Just an excuse for the cops to Harass Kids

Aliantha · 08-15-2011, 11:58 PM

Well, I was sort of thinking it goes against the whole 'free country' thing. I keep thinking of police states when I think of curfews.

Big Sarge · 08-16-2011, 12:21 AM

we've never been free. we've always had laws to protect society as a whole by punishing nonconformists

BigV · 08-24-2011, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Sarge

we've never been free. we've always had laws to protect society as a whole by punishing nonconformists

Sarge--not attacking you, and I'm not the molotov throwing anarchist I appear to be at first glance....but.

I suppose it depends on your definition of "free". I know we have laws that set limits on what we Americans can do. But a curfew seems like prior restraint, in direct opposition to the First Amendment to the Constitution. I like Gravdigr's description, very funny. If I drive, I understand a limit on my driving speed. But I have a hard time extending such an analogy to a curfew. Being outside my house, that's my right. And so is assembling with others outside my house. Rocks through the courthouse window--No. Snatching private property from sidewalk cafe tables--No.

We already have laws that give law enforcement the means to apprehend criminals that do such things.

I oppose the idea of a curfew. I believe a curfew punishes *me* for nonconformity, being outside my house, even though that is not a crime. I think they should only be applied in the most extreme circumstances.

Gravdigr · 08-16-2011, 04:42 AM

This kind of shit is shitty...A curfew will only affect the legal, law-abiding folks. The people curfews are aimed at are not affected in the least. If you're the type that might go downtown and burn down the courthouse, what's gonna happen?

"Let's go burn down the courthouse."

"No, we can't, it's after ten."

"Fuck."

Yeah, that ain't ever happened. Ever.

ZenGum · 08-24-2011, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr

This kind of shit is shitty...A curfew will only affect the legal, law-abiding folks. The people curfews are aimed at are not affected in the least. If you're the type that might go downtown and burn down the courthouse, what's gonna happen?

"Let's go burn down the courthouse."

"No, we can't, it's after ten."

"Fuck."

Yeah, that ain't ever happened. Ever.

"Let's go burn down the courthouse"

"Nah, lets just drink and throw a few rocks through the windows"

A little later, on the way to the courthouse ...

[siren]

"What are you young lads doing out at 11.30 on a school night?"

"Nuffin!"

"Get in the cruiser, I'll take you home"

At least, that's the idea. Zippy is probably close to the truth, but any kid (under 18) who is out that late OUGHT to be cheked out.

Gravdigr · 08-16-2011, 04:43 AM

Curfew: Martial law For Pussies

classicman · 08-17-2011, 08:28 PM

Philly has a 9 pm curfew... It was implemented last weekend, I believe it was in response to the flashmobs or threats of some such.

bluecuracao · 08-23-2011, 09:55 PM

Philadelphia has been experiencing violent "flash mobs" since last year. Which means groups of teens have been getting together, apparently via social media, and wreaking havoc in the central business district and South Street area.

They have been pulling various stunts such as robbing stores en masse, running by and stealing items off of sidewalk cafe tables, and randomly attacking unsuspecting passers-by.

It finally came to a head a couple of weeks ago when there were five attacks in one day. The mayor and police chief said, "enough," and announced the strict enforcement of the curfew.

They received a lot of criticism, of course; mostly because the flash mobs generally happened in the afternoon and early evening--before curfew hours. But I think the main idea--besides a show of force--was to get parents to start paying attention to the whereabouts of their kids, regardless if they are "good" or not.

08-15-2011, 06:50 PM	#2
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Wow, I didn't know there were curfews for anyone in the US. Seems a bit regimented to say the least. I hope it helps the situation though. What does a curfew mean to young people with jobs that don't finish till after 9pm? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

08-15-2011, 07:07 PM	#4
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Really? That's interesting. I can't imagine it would be policed all that much though surely? The cops must have better things to do. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

08-15-2011, 11:00 PM	#5
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	We have a 10:00 pm curfew for juveniles. Works great and really helps alcohol & drug offenses __________________ Give a man a match, & he'll be warm for 20 seconds. But toss that man a white phosphorus grenade and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

08-15-2011, 11:22 PM	#6
zippyt LONG LIVE KING ZIPPY! per Feetz Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 7,661	Ali , its Just an excuse for the cops to Harass Kids __________________ "Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get. " Brother Dave Gardner

08-15-2011, 11:58 PM	#7
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Well, I was sort of thinking it goes against the whole 'free country' thing. I keep thinking of police states when I think of curfews. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

08-15-2011, 06:56 PM	#3
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	I think most places in the US have curfews for kids...on very rare occasions, they're implemented for everyone during emergencies. Generally, those with jobs are exempt so long as they're head home or to the job. I got pulled over a couple of times when I was a teenager and was let go because I was headed home from work.

08-16-2011, 12:21 AM	#8
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	we've never been free. we've always had laws to protect society as a whole by punishing nonconformists __________________ Give a man a match, & he'll be warm for 20 seconds. But toss that man a white phosphorus grenade and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

08-16-2011, 04:42 AM	#10
Gravdigr The Un-Tuckian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: South Central...KY that is Posts: 39,517	This kind of shit is shitty...A curfew will only affect the legal, law-abiding folks. The people curfews are aimed at are not affected in the least. If you're the type that might go downtown and burn down the courthouse, what's gonna happen? "Let's go burn down the courthouse." "No, we can't, it's after ten." "Fuck." Yeah, that ain't ever happened. Ever. __________________ These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, EPA, FBI, DEA, CDC, or FDIC. These statements are not intended to diagnose, cause, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you feel you have been harmed/offended by, or, disagree with any of the above statements or images, please feel free to fuck right off.

08-16-2011, 04:43 AM	#12
Gravdigr The Un-Tuckian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: South Central...KY that is Posts: 39,517	Curfew: Martial law For Pussies __________________ These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, EPA, FBI, DEA, CDC, or FDIC. These statements are not intended to diagnose, cause, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you feel you have been harmed/offended by, or, disagree with any of the above statements or images, please feel free to fuck right off.

08-17-2011, 08:28 PM	#13
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Philly has a 9 pm curfew... It was implemented last weekend, I believe it was in response to the flashmobs or threats of some such. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

08-23-2011, 09:55 PM	#14
bluecuracao in a mood, not cupcake Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,034	Philadelphia has been experiencing violent "flash mobs" since last year. Which means groups of teens have been getting together, apparently via social media, and wreaking havoc in the central business district and South Street area. They have been pulling various stunts such as robbing stores en masse, running by and stealing items off of sidewalk cafe tables, and randomly attacking unsuspecting passers-by. It finally came to a head a couple of weeks ago when there were five attacks in one day. The mayor and police chief said, "enough," and announced the strict enforcement of the curfew. They received a lot of criticism, of course; mostly because the flash mobs generally happened in the afternoon and early evening--before curfew hours. But I think the main idea--besides a show of force--was to get parents to start paying attention to the whereabouts of their kids, regardless if they are "good" or not.

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