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|  08-21-2015, 10:19 AM | #1 | 
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				August 21, 2015: The gray wolf returns to California
			 
			
			The gray wolf is not an endangered species, globally speaking; there are a lot of them, there generally always has been a lot of them, all over the world. But they don't actually get along with humans like their canus family member Dog does. So once humanity came on the scene, we reduced their number by 2/3rds. By the 1950s there were none left in western Europe, none in Mexico and almost none in the US. Typically there were actual government programs to kill the beasts and they can tell you the exact year the last wolf was killed in various countries. But humanity has come around, and now the government programs protect the wolves, and they are coming back. This May and again in July, folks in northern California noticed something on a trail camera. Hey, they said, was that a wolf?  So officials did what officials do, they collected some turds and measured some tracks, and said yeah maybe this is a gray wolf. But they also put out a bunch more cameras, and last week...  A mating pair and five cubs.  The state of California now has gray wolves. | 
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|  08-21-2015, 10:24 AM | #2 | |
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|  08-21-2015, 03:58 PM | #3 | 
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|  08-22-2015, 07:58 AM | #5 | 
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			Both items supper cool.
		 
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|  08-22-2015, 08:01 AM | #6 | 
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			If there's just one fact I could beat into the skulls of the inevitable "kill it before we can't hunt any more deer!!" crowd, it would be easy to choose.  Coyotes, which den in vacant subdivision houses in places like Glendale and whose urban diet includes up to 50% house cats and small dogs like Miley Cyrus's little ankle shark, DO NOT like wolves and will move out of a wolf-impacted area if they can.  If not, they tend to be under more stress and less likely to have a damaging impact on human interests. Fun little hunting-related fact I found out about Montana not long ago: there's a fella here who's been checking out and documenting road-kill deer for a lot of years. He's up to over 60% of young road-kill bucks showing obvious physical defects, many of them related to dental malformations and failure of testes to drop even in mature males. I've been watching nature documentaries since Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom and the Jacques Cousteau specials were hot news, and reading books about natural history almost as long. Predation doesn't cause increasingly prevalent dental, jaw, and gonad deformities, inbreeding and poor nutrition do. All those "wolves eetz EVERYTING I wanna shoot" hunters, in an ideal world, could be taught that wolves improve the overall health of the forest ecosystems, while coyotes are a legitimate danger to small pets and there are places with serious concerns about small children. | 
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|  08-22-2015, 02:06 PM | #7 | 
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			On the East Coast, we could use some Wolves, as we're overrun with White Tailed Deer. It's not unusual to see a dozen in my yard, and the road kill numbers are astronomical. Something like 60,000 a year on I-80 alone, and even in Philly proper they're a problem.  Coyotes have driven out a lot of the foxes, but I'm not so sure wolves are the solution for that.   
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|  08-22-2015, 02:43 PM | #8 | 
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			That's over 164 deer per day.  On one highway. In 1991 (that's a hard thing to find numbers for) PA only had 42,651 road killed deer statewide. (Source) I know that number has probably gone up, but, dayum! Was that an actual number you heard, or did ya just grab that one out of the air? 
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|  08-22-2015, 04:50 PM | #9 | ||
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			For the state it's 315 per day. I had posted it in a thread in the Cellar, along with the source, but I don't know where that was. I-80 is 313 miles of deer habitat with a million vehicle a year, 30% of them 18 wheelers. It goes through woods where the undergrowth is sparse and where there is undergrowth it's mainly shit tasting Laurel and evergreens. So the cornucopia of roadside/median vegetation, plus tons road salt, are irresistible. Wiki Quote: 
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|  08-22-2015, 05:43 PM | #10 | |
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|  08-22-2015, 07:19 PM | #11 | 
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			Yeah I know, put the sign some where else.   I read recently the deer in the headlights phenomenon may be caused by the deer's eyes seeing a different color spectrum that us. They don't see red/orange, but can see ultraviolet, so our headlights look muted gray, screwing up their depth perception even if they don't get blinded by a direct beam. Don't know if it's true but it's an interesting theory. 
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|  08-23-2015, 12:04 AM | #12 | 
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			Do you know what happen when you introduce the Gray Wolf into an area where it becomes the apex predator?  It's gets the greenie tree huggers all fired up and they start making the politicians clean up the environment. That results in global cooling and a new ice age. Before you know it, Frank Reade is fighting for survival. Is that what you want?   
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|  08-23-2015, 11:54 AM | #13 | 
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|  08-25-2015, 01:13 PM | #14 | 
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			I have to give her credit for delivering her lines flawlessly.  She sounded exactly like someone who believed that the DOT controls the migration patterns of the deer population.   
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|  08-25-2015, 02:20 PM | #15 | 
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			Man, that's a lot.  I mean, I knew PA had a pretty bad problem with it, but, I guess, I just never thought it out in terms of numbers.  Dayum.  It's still hard to get my head around those numbers.
		 
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