Dumbest President

richlevy · 05-19-2003, 07:54 PM

Can a truly stupid person be an effective president?

Torrere · 05-19-2003, 08:13 PM

Ulysses S. Grant
Calvin Coolidge

I don't know why you put some of those guys up there.

Tobiasly · 05-19-2003, 08:33 PM

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Originally posted by Torrere
I don't know why you put some of those guys up there.

I believe the term is a "leading question".

ScottSolomon · 05-19-2003, 08:39 PM

I think Reagan and GWB were both pretty dumb people. Reagan could read his lines well, but he could not ad lib. GWB cannot read his lines or ad lib, but he looks good in a flight suit ( with a stuffed sock ).

xoxoxoBruce · 05-19-2003, 08:42 PM

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( with a stuffed sock ).

At least Clinton didn't need that.

russotto · 05-22-2003, 01:22 PM

Benjamin Harrison. The one who died because he was too dumb to come in out of the rain.

tw · 05-22-2003, 05:48 PM

How dumb is George Jr. He actually thinks that silly tax cut will create jobs. We are now beginning to suffer the resulting recessionary effects from his previous 'tax cut'. Warren Buffet, last night on Nightline (see http://www.abcnews.com for a transcript) basically told it in blunt facts. His tax rate at about 3% is far below his low paid receptionist who pays more like 30% of her income in taxes. But even worse, who most needs money from this tax cut - Warren or his receptionist? Warren Buffet who is worth more than $30,000,000,000? Of course not. The person who gets least - both by percentage of incoming and in total money - the receptionist - get the least from this tax cut. Warren Buffet and most rich people (and expensive tax accoutants and tax lawyers) prosper most from this tax cut.

Buffet demonstrated stupidity of this George Jr tax cut from many perspectives. Clearly this tax cut demonstrates how stupid this president really is.

But then we have perspective. As Buffet said, the only real tax cut is one that cuts spending and then returns that money to the taxpayer. Obviously. But so many American citizens are so poorly educated as to actually believe this George Jr tax cut will make jobs. I can make jobs just as effectively. Pay someone to remove all my grass, then pay him again to restore the lawn. That too created jobs. And yet some in the public actually believe the George Jr rhetoric. So is George Jr dumb - or that smart since he can actually so decieve the public?

Griff · 05-22-2003, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by russotto
Benjamin Harrison. The one who died because he was too dumb to come in out of the rain.

Of course in my book that makes him a great President. Dear Federal Agent, this is what is commonly called a joke please don't kick in my door

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Originally posted by tw
As Buffet said, the only real tax cut is one that cuts spending and then returns that money to the taxpayer.

I find myself agreeing with tw again...must be losing my edge.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-22-2003, 08:22 PM

I believe what Bush is trying to do with this tax cut is rouse some "irrational exuberance" of the pre-dotcom-bust era. If the people believe the economy is strong, the economy will be strong.
I also believe it won't work.

elSicomoro · 05-22-2003, 08:23 PM

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Originally posted by russotto
Benjamin Harrison. The one who died because he was too dumb to come in out of the rain.

Wrong one, Matt. You're thinking of his grandfather, William Henry Harrison.

Torrere · 05-22-2003, 11:07 PM

I believe that it was here that someone informed me that Bush used to pronounce "nuclear" correctly, and that he changed to "nuke-you-lure" during his presidency. He seems to be successfully deceiving America into thinking that he is a moron (and his opponents thusly dismissing him) so that he is able to have a freer hand.

During my years in High School, I had a large report to do on William Henry Harrison. Before I started, however, the teacher had me switched into a more advanced course (which didn't have the assignment). She did this because students from that more advanced course were dropping out from it and into her class. If she hadn't kicked me and a friend out, she wouldn't have had enough textbooks for them.

tw · 05-24-2003, 11:51 PM

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Originally posted by Griff
I find myself agreeing with tw again...must be losing my edge.

Its Warren Buffet you are agreeing with. When he speaks, he is just so simple, straight forward, and pragmatic. Whether it is silly tax cuts, or the nonsense about accounting and stock options. When Warren speaks, people listen - for good reason.

Urbane Guerrilla · 05-25-2003, 07:55 AM

Warren Gamaliel Harding, is, I believe, assessed by historians as being the least intelligent President.

This is in despite of what certain leftwing types wish to believe about either Reagan or Bush -- indeed, pundit Ann Coulter has vividly pointed out that "stupid" or "dumb" are adjectives routinely applied by the left wing chattering classes to successful politicians from right of center -- politicians to whom the Left loses elections, often repeatedly. I look forward to the American Left losing another election to George W. Bush -- because I do not trust the Left to keep us a Republic.

I have to have a Republic to live in or my life sucks. I've lived under totalitarianism before, and I am not going back. Anyone who's done his time in the military knows from the inside how a totalitarian bureaucracy works. While bureaucracy isn't a bad way to move information around, as a way of life it is terrible.

elSicomoro · 05-25-2003, 10:37 AM

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Originally posted by Urbane Guerrilla
I look forward to the American Left losing another election to George W. Bush -- because I do not trust the Left to keep us a Republic.

And at the rate things are going, the Right (or center-right or whatever you want to call Bush and his crew) is not going to keep us a republic either.

ScottSolomon · 05-25-2003, 10:47 AM

Urbane Guerrilla,

I find it interesting that you seem to think that Bush, the president that has done more to consolidate power in the executive branch than any in my lifetime, is interested in preserving the Republic. Part of the way totalitarain states maintain their power is they keep the peasant classes stupid, and in constant fear. This worked well for Hitler, and it seems to be working well for Bush.

Bush is interested in preserving the power of the rich. He is not interested in safeguarding liberty, democracy, or the republic.

Why do you think the democrats are a threat to the United States as a Republican democracy - especially since we have effectively been a Republican oligarchy for most of our history?

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Hoover	2	11.11%
FDR	1	5.56%
Truman	0	0%
Eisenhower	0	0%
Kennedy	1	5.56%
Nixon	3	16.67%
Reagan	0	0%
H.W. Bush	0	0%
Clinton	1	5.56%
G. W. Bush	10	55.56%
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05-19-2003, 07:54 PM	#1
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	Dumbest President Can a truly stupid person be an effective president? __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

05-19-2003, 08:39 PM	#4
ScottSolomon Coronation Incarnate Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: On the skin of a tiny planet in an obscure galaxy in a lackluster corner of the universe. Posts: 94	I think Reagan and GWB were both pretty dumb people. Reagan could read his lines well, but he could not ad lib. GWB cannot read his lines or ad lib, but he looks good in a flight suit ( with a stuffed sock ). __________________ The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past. George Orwell

05-22-2003, 08:22 PM	#9
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I believe what Bush is trying to do with this tax cut is rouse some "irrational exuberance" of the pre-dotcom-bust era. If the people believe the economy is strong, the economy will be strong. I also believe it won't work. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-25-2003, 07:55 AM	#13
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Warren Gamaliel Harding, is, I believe, assessed by historians as being the least intelligent President. This is in despite of what certain leftwing types wish to believe about either Reagan or Bush -- indeed, pundit Ann Coulter has vividly pointed out that "stupid" or "dumb" are adjectives routinely applied by the left wing chattering classes to successful politicians from right of center -- politicians to whom the Left loses elections, often repeatedly. I look forward to the American Left losing another election to George W. Bush -- because I do not trust the Left to keep us a Republic. I have to have a Republic to live in or my life sucks. I've lived under totalitarianism before, and I am not going back. Anyone who's done his time in the military knows from the inside how a totalitarian bureaucracy works. While bureaucracy isn't a bad way to move information around, as a way of life it is terrible. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

05-19-2003, 08:13 PM	#2
Torrere a real smartass Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 1,121	Ulysses S. Grant Calvin Coolidge I don't know why you put some of those guys up there.

05-22-2003, 01:22 PM	#6
russotto Professor Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,788	Benjamin Harrison. The one who died because he was too dumb to come in out of the rain.

05-22-2003, 05:48 PM	#7
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	How dumb is George Jr. He actually thinks that silly tax cut will create jobs. We are now beginning to suffer the resulting recessionary effects from his previous 'tax cut'. Warren Buffet, last night on Nightline (see http://www.abcnews.com for a transcript) basically told it in blunt facts. His tax rate at about 3% is far below his low paid receptionist who pays more like 30% of her income in taxes. But even worse, who most needs money from this tax cut - Warren or his receptionist? Warren Buffet who is worth more than $30,000,000,000? Of course not. The person who gets least - both by percentage of incoming and in total money - the receptionist - get the least from this tax cut. Warren Buffet and most rich people (and expensive tax accoutants and tax lawyers) prosper most from this tax cut. Buffet demonstrated stupidity of this George Jr tax cut from many perspectives. Clearly this tax cut demonstrates how stupid this president really is. But then we have perspective. As Buffet said, the only real tax cut is one that cuts spending and then returns that money to the taxpayer. Obviously. But so many American citizens are so poorly educated as to actually believe this George Jr tax cut will make jobs. I can make jobs just as effectively. Pay someone to remove all my grass, then pay him again to restore the lawn. That too created jobs. And yet some in the public actually believe the George Jr rhetoric. So is George Jr dumb - or that smart since he can actually so decieve the public?

05-22-2003, 11:07 PM	#11
Torrere a real smartass Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 1,121	I believe that it was here that someone informed me that Bush used to pronounce "nuclear" correctly, and that he changed to "nuke-you-lure" during his presidency. He seems to be successfully deceiving America into thinking that he is a moron (and his opponents thusly dismissing him) so that he is able to have a freer hand. During my years in High School, I had a large report to do on William Henry Harrison. Before I started, however, the teacher had me switched into a more advanced course (which didn't have the assignment). She did this because students from that more advanced course were dropping out from it and into her class. If she hadn't kicked me and a friend out, she wouldn't have had enough textbooks for them.

05-25-2003, 10:47 AM	#15
ScottSolomon Coronation Incarnate Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: On the skin of a tiny planet in an obscure galaxy in a lackluster corner of the universe. Posts: 94	Urbane Guerrilla, I find it interesting that you seem to think that Bush, the president that has done more to consolidate power in the executive branch than any in my lifetime, is interested in preserving the Republic. Part of the way totalitarain states maintain their power is they keep the peasant classes stupid, and in constant fear. This worked well for Hitler, and it seems to be working well for Bush. Bush is interested in preserving the power of the rich. He is not interested in safeguarding liberty, democracy, or the republic. Why do you think the democrats are a threat to the United States as a Republican democracy - especially since we have effectively been a Republican oligarchy for most of our history? __________________ The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past. George Orwell

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