Where is xDSL going?

tw · 07-26-2001, 12:58 PM

One interesting perspective on the central problem of the 'last mile' and the dot com fallout:
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-6397854.html

russotto · 07-27-2001, 01:58 PM

Northpoint is gone. Covad, Rhythms, and NAS are going to be gone soon. That pretty much covers the CLECs. Once they're gone, there's nothing left but those purveyors of service with a snarl, the phone and cable companies. Both are undesirable for various reasons, not least being their filtered connections and restrictive TOSs. How much for a fractional T1, Tony?

Undertoad · 07-27-2001, 02:23 PM

If we had line of sight, I could sell you a piece of my circuit via wireless. But because a fractional T1 is actually a full T1 with only a part of the bandwidth turned up, getting Verizon to run just the circuit is going to cost anyone $300-$600 a month, and that's without the bandwidth charges, and probably with at least a three-year contract.

That's why wireless is still the great hope. In theory, I could sell bits to all my neighbors and not have to get into the whole problem of right-of-way. I could do it today if I wanted. Probably with parts from CompUSA.

I don't, because who needs the hassle? But I could. Now, in the big cities, it may be worthwhile for Sprint and others like them to set up wireless from a tall building and cover a range of a million people. And someone had (has?) the idea of doing wireless from jets circling overhead.

It sounds insane, but everyone knows that if the perfect connectivity solution came along, the owner/operator could reap the profits of the cable companies, the phone companies, and the ISPs *combined*. And, after all, being a cable TV operator was no big shakes 30 years ago; now they're all rich beyond belief.

jaguar · 07-27-2001, 09:12 PM

Think you've got it bad in the US of A?
Try here. We have 2 cable companies. One charged around 70 a month for an 'unlimited' plan, capped at aroudn 70kbps, and 3Gig a month. We have 1 xDSL provider. whcih is shitslow anddorps out every other day. Also exporintantly expensive.The other cable network si slowing down under the load. Broardband in aust, SUCKS!!!
i pay aout US$15 a month for 1.5Gig and 400hours, least its fast.

alphageek31337 · 07-28-2001, 06:02 PM

So in other words, jag, you're telling me to pack my suitcase because I just figured out how I'm going to get piss-rich. You have to wonder how well a reliable, geek-friendly service would do down there....

jaguar · 07-28-2001, 08:08 PM

Good luck setting it up, unless u raise the $ to build your own network your going ot be leasing of telstra, the same people who provide this shitty ewxcuase a net connection

07-26-2001, 12:58 PM	#1
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Where is xDSL going? One interesting perspective on the central problem of the 'last mile' and the dot com fallout: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-6397854.html

07-27-2001, 01:58 PM	#2
russotto Professor Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,788	..and why is it in that handbasket Northpoint is gone. Covad, Rhythms, and NAS are going to be gone soon. That pretty much covers the CLECs. Once they're gone, there's nothing left but those purveyors of service with a snarl, the phone and cable companies. Both are undesirable for various reasons, not least being their filtered connections and restrictive TOSs. How much for a fractional T1, Tony?

07-27-2001, 09:12 PM	#4
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Think you've got it bad in the US of A? Try here. We have 2 cable companies. One charged around 70 a month for an 'unlimited' plan, capped at aroudn 70kbps, and 3Gig a month. We have 1 xDSL provider. whcih is shitslow anddorps out every other day. Also exporintantly expensive.The other cable network si slowing down under the load. Broardband in aust, SUCKS!!! i pay aout US$15 a month for 1.5Gig and 400hours, least its fast. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

07-28-2001, 06:02 PM	#5
alphageek31337 Enemy Combatant/Evildoer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 263	So in other words, jag, you're telling me to pack my suitcase because I just figured out how I'm going to get piss-rich. You have to wonder how well a reliable, geek-friendly service would do down there.... __________________ The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. ---Friedrich Nietzsche

07-28-2001, 08:08 PM	#6
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Good luck setting it up, unless u raise the $ to build your own network your going ot be leasing of telstra, the same people who provide this shitty ewxcuase a net connection __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

07-27-2001, 02:23 PM	#3
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	If we had line of sight, I could sell you a piece of my circuit via wireless. But because a fractional T1 is actually a full T1 with only a part of the bandwidth turned up, getting Verizon to run just the circuit is going to cost anyone $300-$600 a month, and that's without the bandwidth charges, and probably with at least a three-year contract. That's why wireless is still the great hope. In theory, I could sell bits to all my neighbors and not have to get into the whole problem of right-of-way. I could do it today if I wanted. Probably with parts from CompUSA. I don't, because who needs the hassle? But I could. Now, in the big cities, it may be worthwhile for Sprint and others like them to set up wireless from a tall building and cover a range of a million people. And someone had (has?) the idea of doing wireless from jets circling overhead. It sounds insane, but everyone knows that if the perfect connectivity solution came along, the owner/operator could reap the profits of the cable companies, the phone companies, and the ISPs combined. And, after all, being a cable TV operator was no big shakes 30 years ago; now they're all rich beyond belief.

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