Depressing/ Suicide

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Originally Posted by sexobon

The message here is that the relief of pain through suicide often comes at the expense of causing pain to others, thinking that it won't cause pain to others may be a delusional rationalization, and that the delusion may be transient unless the suicide is accomplished. The message also provided for exceptions. The overview is that good people can have bad ideas and it's OK for others who care to challenge those ideas.

I am surprised: Wasn't it you that preached at one point that entitlement is in the eye of the beholden? I feel like previously we were on somewhat opposite ends in regards to much of the same principles here.

I agree that it can be a delusional rationalization - people who kill themselves because they feel worthless so they assume nobody would really care or be hurt by it. The reverse illusion probably happens as well - you hear about people who try to kill themselves with suicide notes drenched in defiance, a "this will show them!" kind sentiment, when often by the time they reach that point there is no "them" to show anything too. Likewise, you could also be delusional in regards to your motivations in life and reasons to live.
Again though, that is an attached negative - delusions in general can be rather negative and often make for bad judgement calls, and this would also apply to suicides, as it would apply to driving and career decisions and extreme sports - that's not an attribute of any of those, it's an attribute of delusions.