Depressing/ Suicide

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by traceur

I am surprised: Wasn't it you that preached at one point that entitlement is in the eye of the beholden? ...

Apples and oranges.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."


There's a distinction between matters of life or death and matters of happiness in that the former is an outcome while the latter is a pursuit. Social propriety changes with the gravity of the situation. You have the right to kill yourself and others have the right to pursue changing your mind if that would make them happy. You have the right not to kill yourself to keep them happy; but, no right to entitlement for it, only to the pursuit of entitlement (if that's what makes you happy) which would be at the others' discretion.

I can see how that might surprise someone honing talking the talk without walking the walk. I'm sure it could be surprising for other reasons too.

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Originally Posted by sexobon

I can see how that might surprise someone honing talking the talk without walking the walk. I'm sure it could be surprising for other reasons too.

Actually they would probably apply a false-consensus bias and thus expect you to do exactly as you did, so they wouldn't be likely to be surprised at all. I was surprised because the talk was not only not applied but outright contradicted in the walk... probably because of the same bias on my end, and good faith in people.

We... Are not going to get along very well.

To answer what you are trying to rationalize: Yes, you can intervene when someone tries to kill themselves. It depends on extent of the intervention though (You do not have a right to forcefully prevent or stop an adult from killing themselves).
Then there's paying attention to the whys, and as important, your own limitations: You don't know how they truly feel or how much pain they are in, you can empathize and sympathize but its inherently outside of your qualia - it's in theirs - and chances are if you were their friend you don't know how to actually help them heal in a way they'd agree with or that would have being under way already - and even if you and possibly other people would be hurt by their death, they don't owe you to keep suffering and stay alive for the sake of you feeling peppy. If you'd truly cared about them, would you even want them too?

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by traceur

... We... Are not going to get along very well.

To answer what you are trying to rationalize: ...

Your loss

and

I wasn't asking;

because,

You like to hear yourself talk too much.