What's more current than the weather?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Oh, so now you're changing your tune. You've claimed I live in a cage and can't do anything except what I'm directed to do. Now it's I won't do what technocrats decide I won't do, which makes no sense at all.

I cited things there are laws on the books to prevent because you claim to resent any and all restrictions, you want to be free to do whatever the hell you want. You want to wreck the organization, its agencies, and its rules, that prevent me from doing those things.

So what is the powers that be stopping me from doing? Oh I've got one, no more open fires burning brush and shit. But I skirt that by putting a marshmallow on an unfluxed brazing rod and stick it in the ground next to the fire. A minor inconvenience.

[henry quirk]

"You've claimed I live in a cage and can't do anything except what I'm directed to do."

Nope. I said a cage is bring built, one wherein you'll be directed (just as you wanna be).

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"Now it's I won't do what technocrats decide I won't do, which makes no sense at all."

Makes perfect sense to a literate person.

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"You want to wreck the organization, its agencies, and its rules, that prevent me from doing those things."

How sad for you that you need organizations, agencies, and imposed rules to avoid murderin', defraudin', and pollutin'. You're a well-trained lil monkey, aren't you.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

"You've claimed I live in a cage and can't do anything except what I'm directed to do."

Nope. I said a cage is bring built, one wherein you'll be directed (just as you wanna be).

Wrong you said... "cage, not wall... you: locked in... I'll visit, take a gander, toss you treats"

But I'm not locked in anything or anyplace.

"Now it's I won't do what technocrats decide I won't do, which makes no sense at all."

Makes perfect sense to a literate person.

Now you sound like tw. 'You're not smart enough to understand'

"You want to wreck the organization, its agencies, and its rules, that prevent me from doing those things."

How sad for you that you need organizations, agencies, and imposed rules to avoid murderin', defraudin', and pollutin'. You're a well-trained lil monkey, aren't you.

You obviously have learned nothing from history, why the fuck do you think those laws got passed in the first place? There was a whole lot of murder, fraud, and pollution. They still do it if they think they can make enough money and buy enough lawyers to get away with it, or just send some low level flunky to jail.
When you can't get water safe to drink what will you do, go out and shoot the meter reader? When you piss somebody off and they blow your brains out do you expect you son to avenge you? That John Wayne shit doesn't work anymore, remember his real name was Marion, it was all make believe.

[henry quirk]

"Wrong you said... "cage, not wall... you: locked in... I'll visit, take a gander, toss you treats"

And just before that...


Quote: Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce The plot...

(my response):...to build a gilded cage, lil bird


Context, Bruce. A cage is being built, once you're in it, I'll visit, toss you treats.

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"But I'm not locked in anything or anyplace."

You will be.

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"Now you sound like tw. 'You're not smart enough to understand'"

I can live with that, and, you're not.

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"why the fuck do you think those laws got passed in the first place?"

Bastids did bad things, opportunists saw the chance to put everyone under thumb instead of just punishing the bastids.

Anecdote: a friend of mine in NY works for an engineering firm. She relayed this to me...

For a long time: everyone had unfettered net access. One guy abused it, surfed for porn. I.T. caught him. What shoulda happened: he gets punished, everyone else is left alone. What did happen: everyone lost net access.

Folks like you say the good must suffer for the bad. Folks like me say punish the guilty and leave the rest alone.

You say: guilty till proven innocent.

I say: innocent till proven guilty.

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Anyway: enough. We don't see eye to eye. You, keep workin' for what I see as shackles and muzzles, and I'll keep workin' for what you see as destructive anarchy.

'nuff said.

[xoxoxoBruce]

How do you punish corporations unless what their doing is against the law?
You've been playing with a stacked Ouija board or listening to the Idaho crowd too much.
So what will you do when you can't get safe drinking water anymore, tell your kids to drink whiskey?

[henry quirk]

I've covered all this before in-forum.

Read closely, cuz I ain't doin' this no more.


The individual owns himself.

He has a right to his life, liberty, and property.

His life, liberty, or property is only forfeit, in part or in whole, if he knowingly, willingly, deprives another of his life, liberty, or property.


From these first principles you form a minarchy. A function of a minarchy is the constabulary & court.

So: if Corp X pisses in your cornflakes (knowingly, willingly, deprives you of life, liberty, or property), file your complaint, plead your case.

Now: if you really wanna know more (and you don't), go do your own damned research. Start with 'minarchy'.

[tw]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

His life, liberty, or property is only forfeit, in part or in whole, if he knowingly, willingly, deprives another of his life, liberty, or property.

Which defines a patriotic American. Anti-Americans (Timothy McVeight, henry quirk) only want to wreck shit. They both share a common belief. Want to screw current and following generations to satisfy self serving desires and emotions.

[xoxoxoBruce]

First of all you can't have a minarchy without everyone on board, well 2/3rds anyway, and it would have to be on land no nation claims or attempting it would be sedition. I can't see it coming to fruition on a ship, too many uncooperative individuals.

Originally Posted by henry quirk

From these first principles you form a minarchy. A function of a minarchy is the constabulary & court.

So: if Corp X pisses in your cornflakes (knowingly, willingly, deprives you of life, liberty, or property), file your complaint, plead your case.

What case? unless CorpX violated some rule, some law, you have no case. Going in to depend on a ruling in your favor because your bitch is just? Fugetaboutit, Corp X supplies half the jobs in the minarchy, and free Corp X beer to the court & constabulary. Free beer beats the milk of human kindness every time. So Corp X can kill 10% of the minarchy but nobody can prove it because there's no government arm with the authority to dig into it.

No, democracy is best, not what we have now because the lazy voters have abdicated their roll and the 1% have gladly taken over for them. And it sounds too simple, but all it takes is the voters getting involved. The only thing various groups must agree on is not letting the politicians off the hook. Don't let them be bought, if they are bounce them out. It may seem that justice is moving glacially slow, but it's safer that way, and it does get done.

Now: if you really wanna know more (and you don't), go do your own damned research. Start with 'minarchy'.

Does not compute Been kicking the idea around for 150 years and there still isn't any. Basically it's regressive, back to the stone age.