Which is more evil? - Page 6

BigV · 06-16-2006, 02:07 PM

He took the *crutch* of some crippled vet to poke fire on the flag?!

wolf · 06-21-2006, 12:28 AM

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Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California was the lone committee Democrat to vote for the measure, saying its language was designed to both protect the flag and First Amendment free speech protections.

You know, I don't think I could bring myself to agree with Senator "which end of a rifle is up" Feinstein on anything, even though I have very strong feelings about flag desecration being a bad thing.

Kitsune · 06-21-2006, 08:09 AM

The flag does not make the country. It doesn't determine laws, rights, or freedoms, it simply represents whatever we want it to, good or bad. And yes, we're really good at both. It's just a symbol, open to just as much praise and abuse as any other.

If they do manage to pass an amendment against descration of the flag, can I still eat my hotdog on one of these paper plates on the 4th of July, drip ketchup all over the graphic, and then toss it into the grill to burn when I'm done as I wipe my mouth on a napkin of the same appearance?

glatt · 06-21-2006, 09:04 AM

This is why any flag burning amendment won't work. Burning a paper plate is not the same as burning a flag. A flag is a symbol, and if you burn a symbol of that symbol, you can get virtually the same effect, without breaking the letter of the law. And there are much better symbols of the flag than paper plates. See the link for examples that would be legal to burn, but are virtually identical to flags.

Any amendment would be a waste of ink. But at least it keeps the Republicans busy with something that doesn't matter.

Kitsune · 06-21-2006, 09:26 AM

Nice find, Glatt. I love this:

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Real Americans don't take away the freedoms of other Americans.

And yes, per the comment on it in the blog, it does need to be made into a bumper sticker.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-21-2006, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

You know, I don't think I could bring myself to agree with Senator "which end of a rifle is up" Feinstein on anything, even though I have very strong feelings about flag desecration being a bad thing.

That's because, in our youth, we could read the paper or just look around and see the bad, but the flag always represented the good things about the country.

Intentional desecration is annoying but it's someone making a statement, what bothers me more is the unintentional (careless) desecration I see countless examples of every day. You know, fashions, decals, Kit's paper plates, advertising and
flags with "Made in xxxxx" tags.

btw, I said it was a stupid amendment a year ago and still think so.

06-21-2006, 04:34 PM

I don't like to see a flag desecrated, and when I see something that bothers me it makes me more happy than sad... means that the 1st is still alive.
Just like TJ said, freedom of speech is the freedom to hear shit you don't want to hear & unpopular speech (loosely quoted). Every time I hear Rummy or Dubya open their mouths I can't believe that every flag in the nation does not flip upside-down then burst into flames spontaneously.

As for the first thing we do during the revolution, those of us raised ready, we don't raid stockpiles... we have them. We teach our neighbors to make and care-for C4 in their kitchen after arming them and teach them tactics.

Urbane Guerrilla · 06-22-2006, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

If they really gave a shit about anything but a complete ban on guns they'd enforce the hundreds of laws that are on the books.
They tout the background checks preventing ineligible people from buying guns but never prosecute those people for trying, as the law demands.

We are of one mind, Bruce. Good going!

Have I ever asked if you've read JPFO's website, particularly on how you need gun control in order to have a genocide without getting all your Einsatzkommandos shot by their intended victims?

06-22-2006, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

That's because, in our youth, we could read the paper or just look around and see the bad, but the flag always represented the good things about the country.

Intentional desecration is annoying but it's someone making a statement, what bothers me more is the unintentional (careless) desecration I see countless examples of every day. You know, fashions, decals, Kit's paper plates, advertising and
flags with "Made in xxxxx" tags.

btw, I said it was a stupid amendment a year ago and still think so.

Those things don't bother me, I have a flag bandanna... they are not flags.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-23-2006, 09:59 AM

UG, I've seen it.

rkzenrage, depends on whether it's a flag replica or bunting (red/white/blue/stars but not the pattern?) material.
I suppose it depends on what the flag represent to the individual. I'm well aware of our (USA) place in the current scheme of things, but my view of the flag is solid 1950. I know that's not hip or even rational but it's a piece of who I am.

06-23-2006, 01:06 PM

I have a very solid view of what this nation and the flag means to me.
However, what a flag is and what a Flag is are two very different things, being a Scout and volunteering for every burning ceremony I could so I could honor those old soldiers meant something to me... something that just looks like a flag does not.
Not arguing with you, I see your point of view, I just don't share it.

06-23-2006, 04:16 PM

Talk about limiting freedom of speech and over reacting!

Ibby · 06-23-2006, 04:29 PM

My favorite overreaction-to-free-speech is the dude who got taken by airport security and missed his flight cause he was listening to the Clash in the taxi on the way there. I'll try to find the story...

capnhowdy · 06-23-2006, 10:18 PM

..war toys...

I painfully refrain from comment.
Just me talkin: I won't wear the colors I risked my life to protect. Until they cover me completely and I can no longer be of service to my country. Pardon me while I shut the fuck up.

06-28-2006, 11:31 AM

Flag Amendment Narrowly Fails in Senate Vote

06-16-2006, 02:07 PM	#76
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	He took the crutch of some crippled vet to poke fire on the flag?! __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

06-23-2006, 09:59 AM	#85
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	UG, I've seen it. rkzenrage, depends on whether it's a flag replica or bunting (red/white/blue/stars but not the pattern?) material. I suppose it depends on what the flag represent to the individual. I'm well aware of our (USA) place in the current scheme of things, but my view of the flag is solid 1950. I know that's not hip or even rational but it's a piece of who I am. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-23-2006, 04:29 PM	#88
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	My favorite overreaction-to-free-speech is the dude who got taken by airport security and missed his flight cause he was listening to the Clash in the taxi on the way there. I'll try to find the story... __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

06-23-2006, 10:18 PM	#89
capnhowdy Blatantly Homosapien Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,200	..war toys... I painfully refrain from comment. Just me talkin: I won't wear the colors I risked my life to protect. Until they cover me completely and I can no longer be of service to my country. Pardon me while I shut the fuck up. __________________ Please type slowly. I can't read very fast............... and no holy water, please.

06-21-2006, 08:09 AM	#78
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	The flag does not make the country. It doesn't determine laws, rights, or freedoms, it simply represents whatever we want it to, good or bad. And yes, we're really good at both. It's just a symbol, open to just as much praise and abuse as any other. If they do manage to pass an amendment against descration of the flag, can I still eat my hotdog on one of these paper plates on the 4th of July, drip ketchup all over the graphic, and then toss it into the grill to burn when I'm done as I wipe my mouth on a napkin of the same appearance?

06-21-2006, 09:04 AM	#79
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	This is why any flag burning amendment won't work. Burning a paper plate is not the same as burning a flag. A flag is a symbol, and if you burn a symbol of that symbol, you can get virtually the same effect, without breaking the letter of the law. And there are much better symbols of the flag than paper plates. See the link for examples that would be legal to burn, but are virtually identical to flags. Any amendment would be a waste of ink. But at least it keeps the Republicans busy with something that doesn't matter.

06-21-2006, 04:34 PM	#82
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I don't like to see a flag desecrated, and when I see something that bothers me it makes me more happy than sad... means that the 1st is still alive. Just like TJ said, freedom of speech is the freedom to hear shit you don't want to hear & unpopular speech (loosely quoted). Every time I hear Rummy or Dubya open their mouths I can't believe that every flag in the nation does not flip upside-down then burst into flames spontaneously. As for the first thing we do during the revolution, those of us raised ready, we don't raid stockpiles... we have them. We teach our neighbors to make and care-for C4 in their kitchen after arming them and teach them tactics.

06-23-2006, 01:06 PM	#86
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I have a very solid view of what this nation and the flag means to me. However, what a flag is and what a Flag is are two very different things, being a Scout and volunteering for every burning ceremony I could so I could honor those old soldiers meant something to me... something that just looks like a flag does not. Not arguing with you, I see your point of view, I just don't share it.

06-23-2006, 04:16 PM	#87
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Talk about limiting freedom of speech and over reacting!

06-28-2006, 11:31 AM	#90
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Flag Amendment Narrowly Fails in Senate Vote

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