Al-Qaeda seeks to expand its operations

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by DanaC

And you need to study more about the West's involvement in muslim countries.

I have, I am not talking about the West in general. I am well aware of our history and much of yours as well. The aims of the Muslim extremist groups have little to do with us and more to do with their aims against all ideology which does not fit the model they understand to be true.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I have, I am not talking about the West in general. I am well aware of our history and much of yours as well. The aims of the Muslim extremist groups have little to do with us and more to do with their aims against all ideology which does not fit the model they understand to be true.

From conservative sources? Both sides are at fault, to think it is only their fault or our fault is just stupid. The world isn't black and white Merc, both sides have many faults.

Look at all the terrorist/resistance groups against Israel. All of them I have seen have been started because of Israeli occupation. I am sure that most of these terrorists groups are the same.

Originally Posted by fargon

9/11/2001, They started it.

Without any reason? I find that hard to believe. I'm pretty sure that they attacked us because of our occupation in the Middle Eastern countries and us raping them of their natural resources keeping them in poverty. I know that 9/11 was a reactionary attack because of what we did. Does it justify it? No, absolutely not. But is there is reason? Yes, yes there is.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

From conservative sources?

Hardly.

Both sides are at fault, to think it is only their fault or our fault is just stupid.

Can't really disagree with that.

Look at all the terrorist/resistance groups against Israel. All of them I have seen have been started because of Israeli occupation. I am sure that most of these terrorists groups are the same.

The occupation has now become an excuse. Most of the groups are not the same. The enemy is the same.

I'm pretty sure that they attacked us because of our occupation in the Middle Eastern countries and us raping them of their natural resources keeping them in poverty. I know that 9/11 was a reactionary attack because of what we did. Does it justify it? No, absolutely not. But is there is reason? Yes, yes there is.

Raping them of their resources! Ha. Ever hear of OPEC? We are not raping anything. If anyone is keeping them in poverty it is not the West, it is their governments. Ever been to Saudi, Kuwait, Bahrain, UAE? Money is not a problem for the oil rich countries of the world. We are not responsible for 9/11, if you believe that you have been brainwashed by the leftist views of the world. Poor terrorists, maybe you think we should pay them some reparations for having the need to come over here and kill themselves in those big bad bird like symbols of Western greed.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The occupation has now become an excuse. Most of the groups are not the same. The enemy is the same.

They created the monster nevertheless. Israel and the US does nothing to help the people of these countries so the people will do nothing to combat these groups. I have said it before, if we really want to fight this terrorism we will have to help out the people in these countries.

Raping them of their resources! Ha. Ever hear of OPEC?

Ever heard of Operation Ajax? Yes, a lot of the problem is the governments of those countries but we are to blame too. We also have done nothing to help these people either.

We are not responsible for 9/11, if you believe that you have been brainwashed by the leftist views of the world. Poor terrorists, maybe you think we should pay them some reparations for having the need to come over here and kill themselves in those big bad bird like symbols of Western greed.

Who are we? The American people aren't but the American government is partially responsible. It is cause and effect. If we do one thing, they will react in a certain way. I am not brainwashed because I can look at both sides to an issue, I have just picked my side on this issue.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I have just picked my side on this issue.

Ok, I just think you understanding is a bit confused. Whatever.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Ever heard of Operation Ajax?

Of course, but that is one small blip on the history of intervention of Western nations in third world countries, at the time, where we had global interests. Persia was but one small front at that time in history. It was not somehow the grand spark for the current hatred of Muslims against Western society. Hell the Arabs and Persian's hate each other. How would that one event explain all of the other problems or the desires of Wahhabism and its goal of expansionist thinking? It cannot.